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Me#1You#10 · Site Admin Joined: 06 May 2004 Posts: 6503

BOHICA fellow Vietnam Vets...the assault commences anew...

LewWaters · Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 7:39 pm Post subject:

Interesting that they can list viewing some "9,000" pages, yet, post so few pdf files along with the story, and only what supports their view.

Still, in viewing what little they do supply, I did not notice allegations of the routine atrocities claimed by sKerry before the Fulbright anti-war committee.

No one has ever claimed that atrocities never occurred, but they were hardly a day-to-day event as often claimed by the anti-war left. Had stronger prosecutions and sentences been meted out, who knows, it just may have ended up with many of the anti-war left's heroes themselves being the one's still sitting in prison instead of leading the charge to slander our troops.

The anti-war left may feel this vindicates them, but to me, it just further reveals them as the hypocrites they are.

I am still awaiting the expose' of all the World War Two atrocities committed and see how they slander and malign the "Greatest Generation."

dusty · Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 1:01 pm Post subject:

Seems to me like up until and including WWII it was understood that during war a lot of people got killed. And not only soldiers but anyone who was on the 'other' side. It was also understood that war brings on an 'altered state of reality' for those engaged in actually doing the killing hence the unspeakable remained just that, unspoken.
Then after WWII we had meetings and drafted these 'rules' like in a boxing match that everyone is supposed to follow to make war more 'civilized'.
Of course those rules require that people go against and control their natural urges and emotions during the course of battle especially when the 'other' side ignores these rules.
Thing is, that is just not an obtainable goal for a large number of people put in the situation of witnessing the deaths of many of their friends and countrymen.
In boxing matches rules make sense, in bar fights they do not. In war they have no place either. In attempting to make war more 'civilized' we make war more 'acceptable'.
IMHO anyway.

Dusty
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Me#1You#10 · Site Admin Joined: 06 May 2004 Posts: 6503

320 "alleged" incidents over a 10 year period during which, I'd estimate, some 300,000 American troops (using 10% of those who served there and 58,000 on the wall?) may have participated in direct combat operations? How does this translate into an assertion of systemic, day-to-day, willful employment of such conduct?

Deuce · Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 4:46 pm Post subject:

I was almost intrigued by the LA spin machine, right up til:

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BuffaloJack · Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:57 pm Post subject:

LewWaters · Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 1:24 am Post subject:

fortdixlover · Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 2:03 am Post subject:

The documents detail 320 alleged incidents that were substantiated by Army investigators

"320 incidents" out of a long multi-year war over an entire country? Golly gee....

That's actually an amazingly good record in the annals of warfare. Something to be proud of, in historical context. Say - when compared to the history of what John Kerry and Jane Fonda's friends, the communists, did to their native populations when the US left. How's 2 million atrocities for ya, LA Times, with skulls, not papers, as evidence?

Hell, there are more than 320 atrocities committed every YEAR in a major US city such as LA, Chicago or other liberal-left socialist utopia -see http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004902.html .

The left keeps moving the goal post in its never-ending quest to tear down western culture. In doing so, the lack of culture and civilization of their pet group gets a pass.

I hope all the Swiftvets are aware of the mainstream media (aka obsolete media) meltdown over Reuters doctoring and staging of photos from the Middle East to make the Jews look like killers and the Hizbollah terrorists like saints (see http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=21976_Reuters_on_the_Run and many other stories on the Web).

May I make a suggestion?

Tell the LA Times to go f*** themselves. That's about the only response necessary and appropriate.

-- FDL
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BuffaloJack · Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 2:58 am Post subject:

There will always be criminal acts committed in war.
We had a draft in the Vietnam Era. This means that a cross section of US society was sent into war. It is reasonable to assume that the proportion of miscreants and criminally minded people within the population would also be present in the troops. Although every means available was used to weed out these people, some would always persist.
These are the same people who would commit crimes in civilian life. Now they were armed and sent into situations where opportunities to commit unnecessary violent acts would present themselves. It is amazing that there are only 320 documented incidents. I'll bet that there are at least that many criminal acts committed in the United States by a proportional part of our population.

By the way, didn't sKerry admit to one of these acts on TV in the 70s?
Shouldn't he be brought up on war crimes charges?
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BuffaloJack · Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:21 am Post subject:

Apparently Mr. Bush wants to extend immunity to many of our people. It would also eliminate the Abu Graib type humiliation events as a valid means to charge our people.