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mazda84
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| This isn't my opinon but I watching Good Day Live on the Fox channel and they aired the swiftvets ad. Later, the hosts were saying how you guys are just mad at John Kerry because after he fought he joined the people who were anti-war. They also said that you guys weren't really there at the time. Is this true? |
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coldwarvet
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Halt who goes their? Have you read the 71 Kerry senate testimony transcripts yet? Do you recall how Vietnam veterans were treated when they came home?
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Navy_Navy_Navy
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Most of us participating on this board did not serve with Kerry.
But the people who appeared in that ad ALL served with Kerry or were his superior officers.
None of the talking heads on the mainstream media has gotten it right, yet.
It goes farrrrr beyond merely joining the anti-war movement. Kerry led the VVAW, he negotiated with the enemy in Paris while still a Naval Officer, he testified before Congress with the vilest lies that ended up making it acceptable in this country to call our Vietnam soldiers "murderers" and to marginalize them as "war-crazed marauders."
There is a ton of information on this site about the betrayal dealt to Kerry's generation of soldiers.
And Kerry has begun to betray this generation of servicemembers too.
Commander in Chief of these same forces against whom he has fought for so many years? God help us, I hope not!
I will never forget - I will never forgive what he did to our honorable fighting men and women.
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carpro
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| Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2004 8:56 pm Post subject: Re: Question |
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| mazda84 wrote: | | This isn't my opinon but I watching Good Day Live on the Fox channel and they aired the swiftvets ad. Later, the hosts were saying how you guys are just mad at John Kerry because after he fought he joined the people who were anti-war. They also said that you guys weren't really there at the time. Is this true? |
"JUST MAD" ? Is that their word or yours?
If the just was changed to JUSTIFIABLY, you'd have it right.
Anything less indicates a clear lack of understanding of the magnitude of the problem.
The guys that said they were there... were there.
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LewWaters
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I would have to say it goes a little beyond "just mad." We here aren't from the Swift Boat crews mostly, but many of us served in Vietnam and came home to ill treatment brought on mainly because of lies told to the Congress and the American Public about us.
We have been living with that stain on our reputations for well over 30 years now. As long as Kerry stayed in Massachusetts, it didn't have much effect on us and was up solely to the people of his state. But now, he wishes to attain the most powerful office in the world.
You used the words "just mad." I said it goes well beyond that. It's more a case of extreme betrayal. We fear he would also further betray the country much the same as he has betrayed us and is trying to betray the current generation of military people.
He claims to now be a war hero. But I ask you, how does one claim to be a hero of a war he himself said was wrong, illegal, immoral and criminal?
He lied back then and is still lying.
If war hero status is what makes one worthy of office, then ask, why did the country reject George H.W. Bush and Robert Dole? Those were two men who were truly war heroes.
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| I agree with mazda, its just dirty polotics. Is any of this proven? and what of the soldier who recanted? |
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The soldier who recanted stands by his statement - the Boston Globe reporter put in a truly creative ellipsis in a quote.
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Navy_Navy_Navy
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No "soldier" recanted.
The paid Kerry biographer reported that one of the Swifts recanted.
This was immediately refuted by George Elliott, himself.
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| do you have an article link navy? |
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| thanks |
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Navy_Navy_Navy
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No problem. 
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RGScott
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| Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2004 11:20 pm Post subject: Re: Question |
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| mazda84 wrote: | | This isn't my opinon but I watching Good Day Live on the Fox channel and they aired the swiftvets ad. Later, the hosts were saying how you guys are just mad at John Kerry because after he fought he joined the people who were anti-war. They also said that you guys weren't really there at the time. Is this true? |
In my case it is partly true.
I am mad that a man, while still an officer in the United States Navy got away with lying about the people he served with, openly admitted he was a war criminal, committed sedition and treason, is now trying to play the role of a “thrice wounded war hero” and become the next President of the United States - the Commander in Chief of our Armed Forces.
In my opinion, he should have been indicted, arrested, tried, convicted and sentenced to life in prison over thirty years ago. |
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Navy_Navy_Navy
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You got that right, RGScott!
100%
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Indianbaboon
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| mazda84 wrote: | | This isn't my opinon but I watching Good Day Live on the Fox channel and they aired the swiftvets ad. Later, the hosts were saying how you guys are just mad at John Kerry because after he fought he joined the people who were anti-war. They also said that you guys weren't really there at the time. Is this true? |
swift boats, as I understand it, only had 1 officer on board. The rest were enlisted.
But swift boats NEVER (also from what I am told) operated independently of others.
They relied on their numbers in order to bring to bear effective fields of fire and to present a force that couldn't easily be defeated by a lone VC with a single RPG
this is the stupidity that pisses me off. An officer, by his very rank and assignment, could not have been on the same SMALL boat as Kerry. But would you look at an F-15 fighter pilots wingman and say "you weren't in his plane...you were 40 feet to the right...therefore you can't say anything"
it's retarded.
THEY WERE THERE. The swifties were either his commanding officers (which means they weren't there also  they were just the people who gave him orders and made sure their men came back home alive" or other officers who were literally alongisde, in front of, and behind Kerry. scant yards apart.
THAT IS THERE in my book.
Not only that, but do you understand what VVAW did to veterans? I unfortunately do. Fortunately, i never had to witness it first hand...but vicariously i've gotten enough of a taste of what Kerry singlehandedly did to want to kill the man with my bare hands.
Veterans have taught me much, and given me the qualities i'm most proud of in myself. Kerry pales in comparison to teh FAC's, green berets, and members of CAPs that I have had the honor of getting to know.
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