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RocketFett
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I was pointing out the fact that kerry and others who support him for three years have been shamelessly painting the picture over and over that Bush is so stupid, and the facts of his accomplishments dispute that. Your comment was edited because you went on a Bush hate rant. And you know it.
But back to Kerry, which is what this site is about, and you're the one that went off on Bush. I'm still waiting for you to take one fact that I stated about kerry that isn't true? I guess trolling on RS isn't enough, you had to jump here too huh? |
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JohnA
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| RocketFett wrote: | | It couldn't matter LESS that most of the weapons systems at times were clustered together in one defense appropriations bill. That's how MOST ALL bills are, with multiple things in them, not just one. Nothing would get passed. But the fact is, he opposed passage of these bills in question,a nd he opposed the appropriations of these weapons systems I mentioned and more. Your point is dubious at best, and proves nothing. |
But, your Hollywood production which you call, "John Kerry Destroys the Military Single-handedly," doesn't play very well if you say he voted against 2 or 3 spending appropriation bills. Does it now? Who writes your scripts for you? Your point is the one that is spurrious if not a plain outright lie.
| RocketFett wrote: | | BY THE WAY! johnny kerry was on the pre-9-11 Senate Intelligence committee that the 9-11 committee said was most at fault for the lapses that allowed the attacks to occur. Including john edwards who was also ont he committee and still is. So, what possible credibility can he possibly have in the area of national defence, when he was part of the committee, and a ranking member no less, that has been found to be the one body most complicit in security lapses that led to the 9-11 attacks. |
Wow... I didn't think Rush's message-o-the-day could make it from the airwaves to the internet so fast. Don't think that just because I'm a liberal I don't listen.
| RocketFett wrote: | | He can't even take the time to take security and intelligence briefings whil on vacation. Bush hasn't had a vacation since he took office. |
That has to be the funniest thing I've heard since I've been here. Wow, for a non-partisan website, it sure has a lot of republican partisans.
| RocketFett wrote: | | When he leaves the White House, the White House goes with him and he constantly has briefings and is making decisions. |
Yeah, what decisions did he make regarding the August 6, 2001 PDB? You remember? That one entitled "Bin Laden Determined To Attack Inside the U.S."? A lot of good that briefing seemed to do him.
| RocketFett wrote: | | What decisions has kerry been making? The guy can't even find his way to the Senate and has missed over 88% of the Senate votes the past year while he collects his Senate salary, and that's a violaton of Senate rules and he should have been kicked out of the Senate just for that. |
You're opinion is welcome. Write a letter to your Senator.
| RocketFett wrote: | | Some great Senate record. The only vote recently he's showed up to make was to vote AGAINST the Lacy and Connor act, when clearly over 70% of America supported that bill, and he opposed it. |
Since John Kerry doesn't legislate by polls, this isn't surprising to me. Why are you so opposed to enforcing current laws that you want the government to create new ones all the time? I, personally, would like LESS government in my life... to me, that's one less law.
| RocketFett wrote: | | But hey, if you think he'd be a good President even though he's the most flaming liberal politician in the Senate EVER, and is backed and endorced by the World Communist Party and Red China, as well as the terrorists themselves, then I guess it's clear where you stand. |
Wow, time for you to take a step back. You mar this group with lies like that. I hope you don't speak for them. If you're the type of people they attract, I think that the SVFT message will be badly hurt.
| RocketFett wrote: | | You STILL haven't been able to disprove anything that anyone has said here. You just try to smear the edges and be less than totally truthful. Or did you dispute the facts, before you ignored them? kerry people seem to be really good and doing and not doing something at the same time. |
What would you like me to prove? That your "facts" sound more like a Michael Moore screenplay than the truth? I think you've done a pretty good job of that for me. |
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RocketFett
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| Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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| It's common knowledge that kerry opposed all those programs. And he doesn't dispute it. I guess I'd need to cite a source if I said that terrorists used planes to hit the World Trade Center and the Pentagon huh? It's also common knowledge that he purjured himself in the Senate in the early 70s, claiming so many war crimes, and that his vendetta against the U.S. Military is the very reason that all these Vets are standing up and being heard, because he made enemies of the military back then, and now his lies are being brought to light. When Unfit For COmmand sells millions of copies the next month, the word will be out, and that will be it for kerry and the liars like him. |
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JohnA
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| Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| RocketFett wrote: | | I was pointing out the fact that kerry and others who support him for three years have been shamelessly painting the picture over and over that Bush is so stupid, and the facts of his accomplishments dispute that. Your comment was edited because you went on a Bush hate rant. And you know it. |
I did? Wrong. I stated that I believed a man who has served in war, regardless of the spin from both sides has a deeper understanding of what they are doing when they send our troops to war. There is a gravity to such a decision that I don't think President Bush has ever grasped. Anyone who says, "nation building isn't something I'd do" only to turn around and then do exactly that needs to be questioned.
| RocketFett wrote: | | But back to Kerry, which is what this site is about, and you're the one that went off on Bush. I'm still waiting for you to take one fact that I stated about kerry that isn't true? I guess trolling on RS isn't enough, you had to jump here too huh? |
First, I don't even know what RS is... Second, I am comparing the two candidates which is what political discourse is usually about. But, unfortunately this site is just an "Anyone But Kerry" site by your own (uneditted by the moderator) statements.
In a democratic government, the decision between contenders for an office is sometimes a matter of determining which politican will least infringe upon your liberty. To have a discussion about only one of the contenders is the silliest of all follies.
I can sit around all day saying, "Herbert Hoover was the most destructive leader of the early 20th century." To which someone might say, "well, what about Hitler or Stalin?" To which I would then reply, "Well, I'm not talking about Hitler and Stalin so Hoover was the worst!" Sounds pretty silly doesn't it? |
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RocketFett
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| Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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You're full of nothing but one liners and nothing else. You STILL cannot point out a SINGLE thing anyone here has said and prove that it's not true. And that's the whole point. People here have put forth solid documented facts and you can't dispute them. The the real bottom line is, you have followed me here from another site, because you either have no life, or some kind of grudge, and you have no interest in the issues with kerry, you are just engaged in a personal grudge match with me. I post about kerry and his record and things he's said and done, and you make personal swipes at me and don't even one time dispute anything I say because you know you can't prove it's wrong. But by all means, continue your personal swipes. That makes you a typical kerry supporter. Lacking in all facts and real information, but overflowing with smears and personal attacks. If you keep doing nothing but picking fights with me because being the hot shot poster at Rebel Scum isn't enough for you, you won't last long. Get a grip and if you can't clearly dispute something I say, then act your age and leave.
And just because someone like Limbaugh says someting doesn't make it untrue. Are you saying that kerry and edwards didn't and don't serve on the Senate Intelligence committee, and that the 9-11 commission did NOT find that committee was the most negligent in allowing 9-11 to happen? Because both of those things are true. It shouldn't matter who says it. It only matters if it's true, and what I've said is true. But you're more interrested in picking fights than even attempting to prove what someone says is right or not. But then, that's all you have. You can't disprove anything anyone here says, so all you have left is personal swipes and childish insults.  Nice to see that you behave the same here that you do on other forums, only the moderators here won't stomach your crap forever. |
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neverforget
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| Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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| It will do absolutely no good to continue responding to this troll disguised as an oh, so reasonable man. |
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JohnA
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| Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| RocketFett wrote: | | It's common knowledge that kerry opposed all those programs. And he doesn't dispute it. |
He voted against programs which the Pentagon wasn't even asking for in many ocassions. Interesting how you believe that the Congress knows better what the military needs than the military itself. In 1992, everyone knew that the military would have to be downsized with the collapse of the Soviet Union. Republicans and Democrats alike. I know it, you know it and anyone who says they didn't know it is plainly a liar. Kerry's voted mirrored what many politicians believed, downsizing government had to start with wasteful programs. And, since politicans love to throw more pork in any bill than actual bill, John Kerry was acting AGAINST that pork. Perhaps you like seeing the federal government spend on future generations' good credit. I don't.
| RocketFett wrote: | | I guess I'd need to cite a source if I said that terrorists used planes to hit the World Trade Center and the Pentagon huh? |
Don't be daft, it's unbecoming of you. But I would like some documentation on where the men who commited that terror attack came from... got any?
| RocketFett wrote: | | It's also common knowledge that he purjured himself in the Senate in the early 70s, claiming so many war crimes, and that his vendetta against the U.S. Military is the very reason that all these Vets are standing up and being heard, because he made enemies of the military back then, and now his lies are being brought to light. When Unfit For COmmand sells millions of copies the next month, the word will be out, and that will be it for kerry and the liars like him. |
Oh, I kinda doubt it. John O'Neill's grudge with John Kerry is long documented. And John Corsi's status as a republican mouthpiece is also well established. And, with people like you shilling for it... it's definite to not make much of an impact.
It COULD have made an impact, but this site and the radio and TV ad are too venomous to be of any good.
The times you speak of, the late-sixties and early seventies were rampant with liberalism. Why? Because the venom of the conservative 50's finally came back to bite conservatives in the rear. We're now going to see that all over again... conservatives just don't know when to be civil, and as kids grow up, they see that... and they don't like it. The current vitriol of the far-right is going to bring another backlash not seen since the late 60's if you ask me... and conservatives have no one to blame but themselves for it. |
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RocketFett
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| Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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| STILL waiting for you to actually point out something that someone here says and even attempt to prove that it is wrong. Everything that everyone here says about kerry is documented and is true. And I never said "anyone but kerry" here or anywhere else on the forums here. So long as you only rant and attack personally me and other posters, and totally deliberately refuse to take a point someone makes, and cite some kind of proof that they are wrong, anything you say is moot and no longer worth responding to. Since you can't stick to facts or actually even just attempting to prove someones points wrong, then you need to stick to not posting. Empty accusations with no facts to back them up might be fine for democratunderground or some place like that, but it doesn't fly here. |
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RocketFett
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| Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Neverforget, you're right, I just thought that EVENTUALLY john the troll would get to a point and try to take a point someone here said, and prove with some kind of cited material that it was factually inaccurate. He didn't do that in a single state. Typical left wing liberal total lack of debating skills. Can't prove their point, or disprove ours, but they can sure name call and attack someone on a personal level. |
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Navy_Navy_Navy
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| Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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| JohnA wrote: | | John O'Neill's grudge with John Kerry is long documented. |
GRUDGE????
You think this is all about a GRUDGE?
You need to go do some reading. You need to acquaint yourself with the times. You need to acquaint yourself with the notions of "Duty, honor, and country" if you think this is about a GRUDGE.
You're on very thin ice. SBVFT does not exist to give Kerry-ites a place to spew their drivel and innuendo and so far, all your posts appear to be doing just that.
One and only warning. Get straight or be gone. Your choice.
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JohnA
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| Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| RocketFett wrote: | | The the real bottom line is, you have followed me here from another site, because you either have no life, or some kind of grudge, and you have no interest in the issues with kerry, you are just engaged in a personal grudge match with me. |
I have absolutely no idea who you are... I think your ego may be acting up again. I came to this site because of the ad. I was hoping to find an interesting discourse but instead bumped into you, a walking, talking RNC billboard.
| RocketFett wrote: | | I post about kerry and his record and things he's said and done, and you make personal swipes at me and don't even one time dispute anything I say because you know you can't prove it's wrong. |
I point out that your "facts" are only half-truths very loosely based in fact. I could point out the fact that President Bush hasn't made a single vote in the U.S. Senate. That would be a fact. But, the other half of that fact is that he was never a senator. You cry about John Kerry "missing votes" in the Senate and then leave out the other half of the fact that each time he comes back for a vote, the Senate Republicans start stretching out the debate and prolonging the vote to purposely keep John Kerry off the campaign trail. And you accuse ME of "playing games"?
| RocketFett wrote: | | But by all means, continue your personal swipes. That makes you a typical kerry supporter. |
That was a good one. Accuse me of "personal swipes" and then make one in the next sentence. THAT was a classic!
| RocketFett wrote: | | Lacking in all facts and real information, but overflowing with smears and personal attacks. If you keep doing nothing but picking fights with me because being the hot shot poster at Rebel Scum isn't enough for you, you won't last long. Get a grip and if you can't clearly dispute something I say, then act your age and leave. |
Once again, I have no grudge with you. You continue to respond to the truths I keep posting. You say John Kerry has no issues, so I point to a link of his issues on his website.... you say John Kerry won't talk about his senate record, so I point you to a page on his website where he discusses his senate record.... you say (and very dramatically I might add) he didn't vote for this weapon system!
And this weapon system!
And this weapon system!
And this weapon system!
And this weapon system!
And this weapon system!
And this weapon system!
And this weapon system!
And this weapon system!
And this weapon system!
And I point out that he voted against three (out of the 17 he has voted on) appropriations bills and you act as if I'M the one distorting the facts.
| RocketFett wrote: | | And just because someone like Limbaugh says someting doesn't make it untrue. |
I'm not saying it doesn't... I was just amazed at how quickly you parroted it for all of us. I'm sitting here listening to ole Rushbo and no more than 30 minutes later you're saying EXACTLY the same thing. I just found it interesting.
| RocketFett wrote: | | Are you saying that kerry and edwards didn't and don't serve on the Senate Intelligence committee, and that the 9-11 commission did NOT find that committee was the most negligent in allowing 9-11 to happen? Because both of those things are true. |
Did I dispute that? I don't think I did. Perhaps you could show me where I did? Or are you going to attribute more straweman arguments to me?
| RocketFett wrote: | | It shouldn't matter who says it. |
Funny... weren't you the one asking me about soros and robbins and moore just a little bit ago?
| RocketFett wrote: | | It only matters if it's true, and what I've said is true. |
What you've said is half true... I'm merely helping you get the entire truth out there. We're a team. You tell one half, I tell the other half and then people can decide. That's called democracy. Tried and true in the U.S. for over 225 years!
| RocketFett wrote: | | But you're more interrested in picking fights than even attempting to prove what someone says is right or not. But then, that's all you have. You can't disprove anything anyone here says, so all you have left is personal swipes and childish insults. Nice to see that you behave the same here that you do on other forums, only the moderators here won't stomach your crap forever. |
Can someone please show me where where I've been picking a fight? I'm merely reporting the rest of the stories you are "reporting" for us. Think of me as your "man in the field" bringing you back the rest of the information you need for your "facts" to be complete.
And, I'd love to know what other forums you see me on. I'm only on one besides this one... and I doubt you know which one it is... and I highly doubt you're at it because it's not a strictly political site. |
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JohnA
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| Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Navy_Navy_Navy wrote: | | JohnA wrote: | | John O'Neill's grudge with John Kerry is long documented. |
You think this is all about a GRUDGE?
You need to go do some reading. You need to acquaint yourself with the times. You need to acquaint yourself with the notions of "Duty, honor, and country" if you think this is about a GRUDGE.
You're on very thin ice. SBVFT does not exist to give Kerry-ites a place to spew their drivel and innuendo and so far, all your posts appear to be doing just that.
One and only warning. Get straight or be gone. Your choice. |
Yes, I do think this is about a grudge. And, so far, nothing on here has proven to me otherwise. I've read the entire site and this message board (I must admit, the site is pretty convincing but the message board is what really leaves on with the impression that it is little more than a grudge... just telling you my impression... take it or leave it).
I'd say I've heard enough of the stories from the times to last a lifetime from my uncle/godfather. As for Duty, Honor and Country, I'd say my almost 15 years of service says plenty about my respect and dedication to those principles.
Here I thought this was a messageboard which honored veterans and servicemen. Obviously, it doesn't if you feel the need to threaten me.
I'm sorry that it had to be this way. I'm sure everything will go back to normal once you've erased THIS serviceman's posts from the site and erased his memory. Is that the mantra of the SBVFT? All military welcome as long as you hate John Kerry? |
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ASPB
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So has Kerry proven his statements about his service in Vietnam? Show me where! Hell man, he won't even release his records.
He's already been completely debunked on the "Christmas in Cambodia" fantasy. That's only the start.
If you want truth then demand Kerry release all of his service jacket.
If you don't to do that...cast off for DU country!
We do honor the service of veterans and active duty servicemen but only the honorable ones. Kerry doesn't qualify! Neither does Lindy England, Granert, or the rest of the Abu Ghraib criminals.
And yes, I do consider you dishonorable because you've already admitted you're participating here while at work. At a minimum, by your own admission, you're a thief. Government employee? 
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Navy_Navy_Navy
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| Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| JohnA wrote: | | Yes, I do think this is about a grudge. |
You don't bother to investigate very deeply, then.
| Quote: | | I'm sure everything will go back to normal once you've erased THIS serviceman's posts from the site and erased his memory. Is that the mantra of the SBVFT? All military welcome as long as you hate John Kerry? |
I don't know that you're a veteran or service member, but all participants here will be accorded the same level of respect that they show for the founders of this group, the other participants here and the people who pay the bills.
This site is private property. You don't have the right to post Kerry propaganda here any more than you can stick a Kerry sign on my front lawn or remove the Bush-Cheney04 signs that are currently there.
SBVFT is not required to foot the bill for pro-Kerry propagandizing, though we do allow a certain leeway for genuine questions and participation.
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GulfWarVet
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| Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 8:10 pm Post subject: Is this the best we can do? |
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I love what the SwiftVets are trying to do, and I have found JohnA & RocketFetts exchanges "interesting".
ADMIN NOTE: Deleted. Please take issues with admin of the forum to Private Message.
It seems to me that SwiftVets is playing too fast and loose with the facts, and I'm afraid this is going to backfire on us. I would like nothing more than to have Kerry lose in a landslide this fall, but if this is the best we can then it will be us getting buried! I just checked out www.factcheck.org concerning the positions of Elliot, O'Dell, Letson & Hibbard, and frankly I am worried. Elliot seems to waffle and fudge, and his fixation on whether the shot soldier was running forward or backward will only seem nitt-picky to most Americans. And all this over a Silver Star that does not even mention the soldier- yipes! Letson did not sign any medical treatment records for Kerry, so his statement looks like he-said she-said. Rassman says O'Dell's boat was not yards away, but hundreds of yards away- another he said, she-said. And Hibbard seems extraordinarily petty over the purple heart, especially since he was gone when it was granted. As much as I would like to have Kerry look like a snake, all of this innuendo seems like a real reach. Can you do anything to put more substance into our position??? |
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