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TEWSPilot
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...and Pelosi's book is number WHAT?  |
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Stevie
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| Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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has anyone double checked the things in the book that the news
and Obama's site are already saying aren't factual?
it's hard to believe Corsi would get such things wrong - like
the yr Obama's were married, the yr they bought their condo etc.
If those things are wrong, people will believe everything else is wrong too.
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TEWSPilot
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:29 am Post subject: |
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| Stevie wrote: | has anyone double checked the things in the book that the news
and Obama's site are already saying aren't factual?
it's hard to believe Corsi would get such things wrong - like
the yr Obama's were married, the yr they bought their condo etc.
If those things are wrong, people will believe everything else is wrong too. |
To a large degree, the Obama sites and the new ones trying to "stop the smears" or debunk the two prominent anti-Obama books are themselves filled with lies and misrepresentations and pure personal attacks on anyne who dares challenge the phony persona created for Obama. Often they set up a phony statement or one that is falsely attributed to the person they are attacking and then debunk the obvious lie or urban legend to try to marginalize both the attacker and all claims against Obama. They often attack the attackers personally while not addressing the claims. They even tried to discredit Corsi in a round about way by pointing out that World Net Daily, for which Corsi writes a column and through which he has released other books, had a story about Bigfoot and two men who claim to have the body of one of the creatures, thus trying to make WND look like some wacko tabloid instead of the premier cutting edge news organization it is -- and who constantly scoops all the other national and international media on important stories.
Further, if Obama wasn't even honest about his parents, made up "composite" personalities for some of the characters in his book "Dreams of My Father", especially his father and step father, misrepresented or outright hid many of his associations and his true philosophies, would people trust anything else he says or writes? Have you actually seen gross errors in Corsi's book, or is this just what the critics are saying? Do you trust the "critics" to be honest? It's pretty hard to believe anything but very minor, insignificant errors and a few typos would have gotten past the final edit, even in a first edition. Once my copy arrives, I'll check for all kinds of errors, especially factual ones that anyone could attack.
My suggestion is to read the reviews. The ones who haven't bothered to read it -- on both sides -- are usually obvious. Look at the detailed ones and see which side presents the better case. My inclination is to believe Corsi got more things correct than incorrect, and if a fraction of it is true, Obama is a dangerous person and should never be allowed near the White House unless on a tour bus. |
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streetsweeper95B
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 4:30 am Post subject: |
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Not EVEN on a tour bus, TEWS...... 
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arkadyfolkner
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 5:16 am Post subject: |
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| Has anyone addressed whether or not Barry O has dual citizenship with Kenya or not? And is it even legal for him to run for president if he has one? |
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LewWaters
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TEWSPilot
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 5:51 am Post subject: |
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| Lew, I haven't received my copy yet either, but if I'm not mistaken, either Corsi or David Freddoso (The Case Against Obama) was interviewed and went into detail explaining that the "Frank" mentioned in Obama's "Fantasies of My Father" was Frank Marshall Davis, a notorious Communist. |
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Schadow
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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From The Augusta (Georgia) Chronicle today (emphasis mine):
| Quote: | It’s only dirty pool if you lose.
That’s the apparent Democratic approach to presidential politics. In 2004, Democrats tried to use film, in the form of Michael Moore’s Fahrenheit 9/11 , to discredit and bring down President Bush in his re-election effort. CBS even got into the fray, using obviously forged documents to try to tarnish Bush’s National Guard service. It led to news anchor Dan Rather’s retirement.
Yet, four years after a group of veterans from Democratic nominee John Kerry’s “swift boat” days in Vietnam hit the news media with their concerns about his war record, it was considered by Democrats and their lackey media to be dirty pool. For the mainstream media now, “swift-boating” has become a verb that describes underhanded politics.
What was underhanded about it? Didn’t the veterans opposed to Kerry have an absolute right to express their reservations, and to share their own recollections of Kerry’s actual war experience?
Now, Democrats want to cry “swift-boating” because of new books that explore Democratic nominee-in-waiting Barack Obama’s past and his record.
They want to paint the books—particularly The Obama Nation: Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality—as smear jobs. As “swift-boating.”
Well, first of all, we’ve never regarded the Swift Vets and POWs for Truth as underhanded. They opposed Kerry forthrightly and said why. We think it’s a smear job, on the other hand, to use “swift-boating” as a term for dirty politics. But the mainstream media accept it as gospel.
Secondly, the mainstream media have had no taste for exploring Obama’s background whatsoever. They are in the tank for Obama, and don’t want anything to come out that might lessen his chances of winning. So their objections to others who investigate Obama ring hollow. The book authors are doing what the network news divisions should have done.
And, oh by the way, Obama Nation is No. 1 on the New York Times Bestseller List. So it’s not as if the news media can claim the public isn’t dying to learn more about Obama. They seem determined not to deliver it—or to let anyone else deliver it.
Kerry himself has launched a Web site called “Truth Fights Back” to try to discredit claims in the Obama Nation book. Great! This is a debate that needed to happen. Let the facts fall where they may. But at least get them out there. |
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LewWaters
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Interesting read from Canada Free Press
| Quote: | Obama Confirms Relationship with CPUSA Member
By Cliff Kincaid Saturday, August 16, 2008
With the release of a 40-page “Unfit for Publication” report attacking Jerome Corsi’s new book, The Obama Nation, it should be obvious that the media-backed presidential candidate, Barack Obama, is terrified of having his carefully concealed communist and foreign connections exposed to public view.
However, the Obama campaign’s attack on Corsi’s book and Corsi personally acknowledges on pages 9 and 10 of its report that the mysterious “Frank” in Obama’s 1995 book, Dreams From My Father, is in fact the Communist Party USA (CPUSA) member Frank Marshall Davis. This identification by AIM and others hasn’t been disputed by the media, which has desperately tried to ignore the Obama-Davis relationship, but the Obama campaign has not responded to it until now. |
Read more at the above link.
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joe_madeup
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I don't know what to make of Dr. Corsi's book. I would expect, based on his previous track record, that it contains some good points - and some very bad points; some things that should not have been claimed. Dr. Corsi has become something of a conspiracy theorist. Remember his "North American Union" outbursts of last year? And now, ScrewLooseChange, a site dedicated to debunking nutty, America-hating "9-11 Truthers" (people who think 9-11 was perpetrated by our own government), has an extended clip of Dr. Corsi showing himself to be ... a "9-11 Truther". Try this:
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/15/video-jerome-corsi-truther/
It is sad. If Kerry is Obama's VP pick, the Swift Vets will have to come back into action, and they should (morally) and must (practically) distance themselves from Dr. Corsi. Yes, he wrote half of Unfit For Command - but now he is in important respects a fringe case, perfectly willing to spread toxic crap about America (9-11 Trooferism).
P.S. If the Obama people really want to "refute" (i.e., dismiss by making attacks on) Dr. Corsi, they should bring up his Trooferism. But half of the Obama people are probably Trooferists themselves. |
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joe_madeup
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As for this comment:
>it's hard to believe Corsi would get [basic facts] wrong
I'm afraid it isn't very hard to believe. During the "North American Union" brouhaha, Dr. Corsi got some basic facts wrong, such as Canada's known status as a founding NAFTA member (Corsi seemed to think it wasn't). It was embarrassing. I feel sad to say this, but I am afraid Dr. Corsi has become an embarassment. |
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Stevie
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Have you actually seen gross errors in Corsi's book, or is this just what the critics are saying? Do you trust the "critics" to be honest? It's pretty hard to believe anything but very minor, insignificant errors and a few typos would have gotten past the final edit, even in a first edition |
no, just what I've read on a few sites... including the BO one !
no, I do not trust the critics!! lol! that's one reason I asked here... knew I'd get the truth!
I don't have the book yet either to check on any of it.
the 'site' listed the marriage year and year they bought their condo. those 2 seemed pretty simple - and easy enough to check on so why would BO's site say Corsi had them wrong? (gee, why would Kerry put the cover letter to his discharge on his website...lol!)
yes, it seems BO's books are about as truthful as Kerry's were...
I even checked Huffington... and signed up there cause I wanted to 'reply' to some clown... oh well, I probably won't waste my time on THAT.
Those posters are vicious. wow. they sure don't care if they get the truth. If the truth is against BO, they don't want to know it.
That makes me super double grateful for this site. I never got the feeling / idea here that some just had it 'in' for Kerry and would make up stuff / lie / twist etc to make docs say what they wanted them to - against Kerry.
It was very thoughtful, deep, scratching out every detail, dotting all 'i's' and crossing all 't's' along the way. Tons of people and hours/days/weeks/months of work digging thru files, docs, boxes etc
and the nasty, vicious, vile stuff like I read on Huff wasn't allowed here. That's a good thing.
this 'supersite' motto - digging thru mountains of documents, lies and forgeries used to disguise the facts, we forge ahead to the inner core of the earth - for truth and justice!!
ok, that needs refined... lol!
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streetsweeper95B
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Scott's book of which I am in the posession of an autographed "in person" copy of, is dead on the money regarding the issues. I headed up the security team for the book signing & sales, WS2 and Eagles Muster.
Personally escorted Scott to his car & back by the way. Several times. Excellent man for those were not able to be there. You have no idea how proud I am to have been able to have him in our events. Scott also attended our evening event at WRAMC & came to the Eagles Muster March as well.
Least I forget to mention Ron Winters & his friend "Duke" an active duty cop & 'Nam MP that donated his services as well. Thank you, "Duke" You are especially appreciated for stepping up & helping out. I do look very forward to working with you again, bro.
One hell of a crew of troopers....*salute*
garryowen!
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TEWSPilot
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| I haven't followed the North American Union issue as closely as I should have, but several state legislatures along the corridor, including Texas and Oklahoma, passed legislation to address it and oppose it and seemed to take it very seriously. Last I heard, it was real but finally folded just recently because of lack of support and too much "sunlight". Anyone have the latest documented facts on this bad idea? |
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