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navyw4ret Seaman Recruit
Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 1 Location: Central Florida
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Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2004 9:42 pm Post subject: Kerry disability? |
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Anyone know if Kerry has applied for or is receiving a service connected disability for any of his purple heart 'wounds'? Be interesting to know.
NavyW4ret
'65-'90; MACVJ45 Jun68-Jul69 - 'Seems like just yesterday' |
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Cam Ranh '71 Ensign
Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 51 Location: Millersville, PA
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Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2004 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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You've got to be kidding! Are you serious?
Kerry does have a disability though, chronically, cerebrally challenged, and a chronic pathologic liar. I would not rule out the possibility that maybe he does NOT realize he is lying. Interesting concept and not all that uncommon.
CS in PA _________________ Kerry
"Haughty French looking Massachusett's Democrat who by the way served in Vietnam"
[J Taranto WSJ
Remember: "Thinking is the best way to travel!" |
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neverforget Vice Admiral
Joined: 18 Jul 2004 Posts: 875
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 2:47 am Post subject: |
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Pseudologica fantastica, commonly associated with narcissistic personality disorder. Compulsion to lie about almost everything due to lack of true self or ego-strength. |
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Cam Ranh '71 Ensign
Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 51 Location: Millersville, PA
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 3:39 am Post subject: Pseudologica fantastica |
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Never,
You must be a clinician to come up with that term.
Actually, In Tinsletown, that about describes 90% of the population, the most narcissistic people on the planet.
You must have read Vaknin's book, "Malignant Self Love". It looks interesting. Kerry must also have had an arrested personality disorder, re-enacting make believe battle scenes [like a preteen] with a new toy [Super 8]. And then has the audacity to show parts in his presidential campaign 30 years later.
BTW, this sounds a little similiar to Eric Bern's book "Games People Play", back around '70.
I sure will "Never Forget"
CS in PA _________________ Kerry
"Haughty French looking Massachusett's Democrat who by the way served in Vietnam"
[J Taranto WSJ
Remember: "Thinking is the best way to travel!" |
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neverforget Vice Admiral
Joined: 18 Jul 2004 Posts: 875
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 7:12 am Post subject: |
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Retired. Never read that book, but probably read some of "Games People Play" a long time ago.
Pseudologica fantastica stuck in my mind because of an evaluation I once did. |
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RGScott Seaman Recruit
Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Posts: 28 Location: Newport News, VA
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 11:33 am Post subject: |
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Cam Ranh '71 wrote: | I would not rule out the possibility that maybe he does NOT realize he is lying. |
When listening to Hanoi John I am reminded of a couple of the “veterans” I met while in a support group. In both cases all their military records were lost or “classified” and unavailable. In both cases they recounted amazing tales of personal heroism. In both cases we managed to prove they had never even served, much less been to Viet Nam.
In both cases they seemed to really believe their own stories, possibly from telling them so many times. _________________ Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.
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Snipe Senior Chief Petty Officer
Joined: 03 Jun 2004 Posts: 574 Location: Peoria, Illinois
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 11:51 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, fairy tales begin "Once upon a time", while Sea Stories begin
"This ain't no lie". Actually, most of the fun involved with telling sea
stories is to let enough stuff drop so the other guy can pick up the
story from there. Then trade off. I love it when that happens. _________________ Tin Can Sailor |
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RStauch Ensign
Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 62
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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Snipe wrote: | Yeah, fairy tales begin "Once upon a time", while Sea Stories begin
"This ain't no lie". Actually, most of the fun involved with telling sea
stories is to let enough stuff drop so the other guy can pick up the
story from there. Then trade off. I love it when that happens. |
Don't have to make that stuff up. Once I signed on, it was like Alice Through The Looking Glass. One Rabbit Hole after another.
On the other hand (Yeah, "four fingers and a thumb"), some of the things I saw, and many that I did, I would just as soon forget.
Peace ... Through Strength, _________________ Richard Stauch
Ft. Myers, FL |
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RGScott Seaman Recruit
Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Posts: 28 Location: Newport News, VA
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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Snipe wrote: | "This ain't no lie". Actually, most of the fun involved with telling sea stories is to let enough stuff drop so the other guy can pick up the story from there. Then trade off. I love it when that happens. |
We became expert at it.
When I was stationed at Pearl Harbor we would initiate new crewmen with Tales of the Sea. One young woman didn’t believe a thing we said - she had heard about sea stories.
Then a school of flying fish sailed by at eye level.
She believed every story she heard from then on. _________________ Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.
ee cummings |
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Snipe Senior Chief Petty Officer
Joined: 03 Jun 2004 Posts: 574 Location: Peoria, Illinois
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="RGScottWe became expert at it.
When I was stationed at Pearl Harbor we would initiate new crewmen with Tales of the Sea. One young woman didn’t believe a thing we said - she had heard about sea stories.
Then a school of flying fish sailed by at eye level.
She believed every story she heard from then on.[/quote]
Ah! Naval Station Pearl Harbor! I got "housekeeping rotater" there
for 6 months out of boot camp. 3 Months compartment cleaning and
3 months mess cooking at the main galley. Lived in bldg 150 by
Baker Docks. I was mess cooking when Hawaii became a state and
there was a weeklong party down on Hotel St. Got the USS Joyce
DER 317 out of there. _________________ Tin Can Sailor |
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RGScott Seaman Recruit
Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Posts: 28 Location: Newport News, VA
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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Snipe wrote: | Lived in bldg 150 by Baker Docks. I was mess cooking when Hawaii became a state and there was a weeklong party down on Hotel St. Got the USS Joyce DER 317 out of there. |
Hotel Street! What a place!
We had the converted warehouses for barracks on the other side of Ford Island, between the sea plane ramps and the Utah. _________________ Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.
ee cummings |
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Snipe Senior Chief Petty Officer
Joined: 03 Jun 2004 Posts: 574 Location: Peoria, Illinois
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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RGScott wrote: | [Hotel Street! What a place!
We had the converted warehouses for barracks on the other side of Ford Island, between the sea plane ramps and the Utah. |
I spent a cruise tied up to Ford Island in '61 on the USS Frontier
AD25. We were a couple of berths forward of the Arizona. We
ran 50' launchs between Ford Island and the head of Baker Docks.
On maintenance day, we'd go around and tie up at the Utah so we
could get a decent field day on the boat without sudden "emergency"
runs. Pre Vietnam were fun times. _________________ Tin Can Sailor |
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RGScott Seaman Recruit
Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Posts: 28 Location: Newport News, VA
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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We would often find ourselves having to wait hours for the Ford Island Ferry to be repaired when going home - it never seemed to break down on the way to work, only on way home. Occasionally they’d used a whale boat to take foot passengers home. Were these some of the “emergencies”?
We really hated having to wait for hours at the “A” Club, drinking and having a good time. Wives and girlfriends never believed the ferry was really dead lined. _________________ Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.
ee cummings |
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Snipe Senior Chief Petty Officer
Joined: 03 Jun 2004 Posts: 574 Location: Peoria, Illinois
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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When I was messcooking in '59, Ford Island used to run a 36' launch
from the front side of the Island to Merrys Point Landing above the
Shipyard. We used to use the EM club there for underage drinking.
That is until a carrier came in and ruined the liberty. I never had a
reason to take that ferry. It went over by the Supply Center didn't
it?
For "emergencys", all that was required was some officer wants to
make an exchange run or something. If there was a boat available,
they'd use it. A three man boat crew could do a pretty good field
day in about 3 hours or so if left alone. Otherwise it would take forever
and we'ed still get our butts chewed out for a dirty boat. Therefore
we'd disappear for a while. The Chief Boat'sun's Mate knew where we
were for real emergencys. _________________ Tin Can Sailor |
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neverforget Vice Admiral
Joined: 18 Jul 2004 Posts: 875
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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Hotel Street. What a place. Last place I've ever seen old time burlesque with a blues band playing the accompanying music. |
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