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Scott
Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
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 Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 8:49 pm Post subject: Anti-Kerry site... |
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Check this site out.
He's also made the Swiftvets' ad available for download in WMV format.
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Navy_Navy_Navy
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| Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Chofrock wrote: | | Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't he resign his commission before making that testimony? |
He did not resign his commission.
He requested an early release from active duty and was transferred to the Ready Reserve. As such, he may not have been obligated to attend drills or musters, but he WAS still bound by his oath of office.
| Quote: | | I am no lawyer, (thank god for that) so I don't know if he was legally under oath at the time of his statements. |
Okay, now you do. 
You may find all substantiating information on John Kerry's own site. Find out exactly when he was released from his office - that alone will bring up some interesting questions.
| Quote: | | Have all of his statements been proven to be lies? I have not seen any evidence to refute his claims, other than personal experiences. Not saying those experiences are invalid, but I don't think any one person experienced everything that went on in Vietnam. |
Which statements? He's made many that have been proven false.
Beginning with his claim that he served two tours "in Vietnam." Or his claim that he was in Cambodia while President Nixon was telling the American people that we have no troops in Cambodia. That's just for starters. There are many more lies demonstrated in the media package that went out with the Swifts' ad - over a hundred pages of documentation.
Please read up on this. If you have specific questions, someone will be glad to answer them.
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I mean there are web sites disputing each and every claim in Moore's movie. Is there a similar website for Kerry's claims? |
Yes, there are many - in fact such a list was just posted a few days ago - a couple of dozen links to anti-Kerry sites. Anyone know where that was posted.
Short of that, there is google.
And there is the d-bunker BUSTER on the official BC'04 site:
www.georgewbush.com
And if you read this board - despite claiming that you're not interested in reading old arguments - you will find that there are some really experts here at finding holes in Kerry's story.
And lastly... John O'Neill's book. Get it - compare it to "Tour of Duty" Make up your own mind.
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Chofrock
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| Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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Is there a copy of those hundered pages online somewhere?
I was specifically asking about his testimony infront of Congress, some 30 or so years ago.
I beleive the examples you cited were not during that testimony, and not given under oath. |
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d19thdoc
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| Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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Marine4life wrote: | Quote: | | D19thDOC, I have to correct you on the oath thing. He most certainly did take an oath before that testimony, the oath of a United States Commisioned Officer. So the I didn't take an oath before I lied to the Senate won't work here. Besides you inherantly are under oath when you testify before the Government or any legal agency in this country, when you know that your statements are testimony. I have seen a judge ask a question of an audience member in Court that was not under oath, it was entered as official testimony as part of the Court record. So the answer is YES he was under oath while he gave knowing testimony to the Senate. Semper Fi. |
We are both on the same side here.
My interest is in warning any who might speak publically to avoid land mines and booby traps. The "perjury charge" is exactly that. It is a legal technicality, granted, but you saw what they did with the "medals or ribbons" nonsense. What was tossed became the issue and the real issue (that Kerry repudiated his decorations and awards and now wraps himself in them) got lost in the smoke and shouting.
We have also seen what happens in a confrontation with these people when you are proven wrong on any small point - they then go on to destroy your entire credibility. Even if you make an honest mistake on facts, you are branded - and believed to be - a liar. We cannot afford that.
The fact that any false statement given to a governement entity is illegal, should be sufficient to those who want the last pound of flesh.
I took an oath upon joining the military too. I have a friend who is a judge. If I tell him over dinner that I won the Medal of Honor in Vietnam, an outright lie, and he finds out I am a liar, he is not entitled to say I committed perjury or to charge me with it - there is no such thing as a portable oath for all occasions. An oath to support and defend the Constitution does not oblige me under legal penalty to tell the truth in court or anywhere else.
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d19thdoc
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| Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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Chofrock asked:
| Quote: | Is there a copy of those hundered pages online somewhere?
I was specifically asking about his testimony infront of Congress, some 30 or so years ago. |
Go to WinterSoldier.com at
http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/index.php
In the left column index you will find a link to Kerry's entire testimony of 4/22/72 before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Most accounts of this in the media are usually partial and highly edited. You can also listen to parts of this testimony and much else on that site.
It also contains a link to the entire 21,477 pages of FBI surveillance files on Kerry and the VVAW.
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Grateful American
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| Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 11:14 pm Post subject: Why is Kerry's service record 30 years ago an issue now. |
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| Because it will indicate the kind of commander and chief he will be. |
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ASPB
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| Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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Leadership is a matter of moral character! Whether that character is born of religious training or securlar education it's key to voting for a leader.
Fraudulent narcissistic gas-bags don't work for me.
Just read his "nuanced" history and ask yourself one question;
Would you want to work for him?. Because that's the decision you're making..except for control of our defense that he'll cede to Kofi Anan. Chirac, and the Mullahs.
Queen Teresa's Consort? The Prince of Bunker Hill? Sensitive War?
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phrein
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Has anyone thought that maybe the reason that he is being backed by the guy's ON the boat with him, is because they backed his lies then? So now they are caught up in the BIG lie and have to continue with it. Kinda like just trying to save they on ass.
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