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I also found the following quote from the 18 Feb 70 Harvard Crimson article at http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=352185 to be quite interesting:
"One time Kerry was ordered to destroy a Viet Cong village but disobeyed orders and suggested that the Navy Command simply send in a Psychological Warfare team to be friend the villagers with food, hospital supplies, and better educational facilities."
So he's been talking about being more "sensititive" in warfare for a long time....and he was disobedient....
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lolajl
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| air_vet wrote: | "One time Kerry was ordered to destroy a Viet Cong village but disobeyed orders and suggested that the Navy Command simply send in a Psychological Warfare team to be friend the villagers with food, hospital supplies, and better educational facilities."
So he's been talking about being more "sensititive" in warfare for a long time....and he was disobedient....
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If this really is true, shouldn't he have been court-martialed for disobeying orders? |
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MrBuzzcut
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| lolajl wrote: | | air_vet wrote: | "One time Kerry was ordered to destroy a Viet Cong village but disobeyed orders and suggested that the Navy Command simply send in a Psychological Warfare team to be friend the villagers with food, hospital supplies, and better educational facilities."
So he's been talking about being more "sensititive" in warfare for a long time....and he was disobedient....
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If this really is true, shouldn't he have been court-martialed for disobeying orders? |
He prob'ly made it up ... remember, he was in his dovish, running for Congress mode now, so it behooved him to appeal to the pre-conceived notions of the anti-War Left. |
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air_vet
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| Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 7:23 pm Post subject: Must read historical interview from Feb '70 |
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| MrBuzzcut wrote: | | He prob'ly made it up ... remember, he was in his dovish, running for Congress mode now, so it behooved him to appeal to the pre-conceived notions of the anti-War Left. |
Thanks very much for publishing a reference to that article, MrBuzzcut.
I think in that article candidate Kerry was letting his hair down for friendly media - it has a lot to say about his early years. I recommend that all on this forum read it. I'm also VERY surprised it remains on the Internet.
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MrBuzzcut
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| Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 7:24 pm Post subject: Re: Must read historical interview from Feb '70 |
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| air_vet wrote: | | MrBuzzcut wrote: | | He prob'ly made it up ... remember, he was in his dovish, running for Congress mode now, so it behooved him to appeal to the pre-conceived notions of the anti-War Left. |
Thanks very much for publishing a reference to that article, MrBuzzcut.
I think in that article candidate Kerry was letting his hair down for friendly media - it has a lot to say about his early years. I reccomend all on this forum read it. I'm also VERY surprised it remains on the Internet.
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My pleasure ... I had read excerpts of it in other articles but was shocked myself to find it still available (always best to have the primary source of a story). |
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Theresa Alwood
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Actually, if you have read "Unfit for Command" on page 78:
"In his Dam Doi operating report from Feb 20, 1969, Kerry recommended "psy-ops" along the Dam Doi - a recommendation he lauds as a great achievement in his 1970 interview in the Harvard Crimson: "one time Kerry was ordered to destroy a Viet Cong village but disobeyed orders and suggested that the Navy Command simply send in Psychological Warfare team to befriend the villagers with food, hospital supplies and better educational facilities". Once again Kerry promotes himself as "antiwar warrior"
Surprisingly, the Navy adopted a psy-ops recommendation. If the idea were indeed Kerry's, then it world have been the only such recommenation he made and the only one to be adopted. At any rate, the program was an unmitigated diaster. Many swiftees, including John O'Neill, wondered who could have been so stupid as to recommend using our boats to travel slowly while playing psy-ops tapes over a loudspeaker, appealing in Vietnamese to the local population, in an area as hostile as the Dam Doi. Many Swiftees and Mobile Riverine Sailors died or were wound on these missions following the "Boston Stranglers" recommendations.
If you have not gotten the book...it is a MUST read!
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| Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 7:33 pm Post subject: Did Kerry really say... |
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Uh...what did he say the name of that village was?
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MrBuzzcut
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| Theresa Alwood wrote: | Actually, if you have read "Unfit for Command" on page 78:
"In his Dam Doi operating report from Feb 20, 1969, Kerry recommended "psy-ops" along the Dam Doi - a recommendation he lauds as a great achievement in his 1970 interview in the Harvard Crimson: "one time Kerry was ordered to destroy a Viet Cong village but disobeyed orders and suggested that the Navy Command simply send in Psychological Warfare team to befriend the villagers with food, hospital supplies and better educational facilities". Once again Kerry promotes himself as "antiwar warrior"
Surprisingly, the Navy adopted a psy-ops recommendation. If the idea were indeed Kerry's, then it world have been the only such recommenation he made and the only one to be adopted. At any rate, the program was an unmitigated diaster. Many swiftees, including John O'Neill, wondered who could have been so stupid as to recommend using our boats to travel slowly while playing psy-ops tapes over a loudspeaker, appealing in Vietnamese to the local population, in an area as hostile as the Dam Doi. Many Swiftees and Mobile Riverine Sailors died or were wound on these missions following the "Boston Stranglers" recommendations.
If you have not gotten the book...it is a MUST read! |
Wow! Still waiting for my copy via amazon, tho i might cancel and get it at a bookstore ... just to see the look on the clerk's face! |
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| Theresa Alwood wrote: | | If you have not gotten the book...it is a MUST read! |
I live in western New York  and I've been bugging a couple of local Border's Book Stores about the absence of "Unfit for Command" - after all, they DO have ALL the anti-Bush books.
During my last visit, the clerk pretended to look over the shelves for the book. I told her "it's easy to spot the book - it's the one with candidate Kerry giving you the finger". |
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MrBuzzcut
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| air_vet wrote: | | Theresa Alwood wrote: | | If you have not gotten the book...it is a MUST read! |
I live in western New York and I've been bugging a couple of local Border's Book Store's about the absence of "Unfit for Command" - after all, they DO have ALL the anti-Bush books.
During my last visit, the clerk pretended to look over the shelves for the book. I told her "it's easy to spot the book - it's the one with candidate Kerry giving you the finger". |
Hee hee ... bet that's the same Border's I used to go to (before amazon) in Henrietta! |
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air_vet
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| MrBuzzcut wrote: | | Hee hee ... bet that's the same Border's I used to go to (before amazon) in Henrietta! |
Yup - also Eastview Mall
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MrBuzzcut
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| air_vet wrote: | | MrBuzzcut wrote: | | Hee hee ... bet that's the same Border's I used to go to (before amazon) in Henrietta! |
Yup - also Eastview Mall
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I bought all my books from 1990 till Amazon on at the Hylan drive Borders ... they had the most obnoxious sales clerks imaginable ... i don't need any funny looks coz I'm buying Russell Kirk or F. Hayek ... just put the book in the bag and take my $$$! |
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Bump...
If you haven't yet read the Harvard Crimson article from 1970, you really should! |
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| I stopped off last night to get me a copy from the area Waldens Bookstore. The clerk was very friendly and said that I had to get on the notification list since they had sold every copy they get in as soon as it gets in. She then said she was going to get a copy for herself to see what the hoopla was all about. The notification list was about 200 names long |
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