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Scott
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Might have been, but for the events in question, weren't.
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Sisku Hanne
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Kerry himself has said very little about GWB's record???? Oh really?
Kerry Demands Bush Prove Guard Service
NewsMax Wires
Tuesday, Apr. 27, 2004
WHEELING, W.Va. - John Kerry, a decorated Navy veteran criticized by Republicans for his anti-war activities during the Vietnam era, lashed out at President Bush on Monday for failing to prove whether he fulfilled his commitment to the National Guard during the same period.
This he says after Bush freely signed the 180 and released his total record of 100's of documents to the media? After 4 relentless and fruitless years of every bloodthirsty left wing media outlet turning over every rock they could find and floating every baseless rumor they could think of? But all for naught. Poor frustrated NYT & Boston Globe! Bet they were sobbing in their martinis with the George magazine staff when truth trumped their sacred mission. 
Kerry knew d@mn well when he pitched this shameful fit that there was nothing to prove, BUT at the same time he has never fulfilled his promise to release his own records.
Hey JFK, .....while you're digging around in the secret compartment of your briefcase looking for those records you promised, don't forget your sugar mamma's tax records, your medical records and your Senate attendance records.
(BTW- this is NOT a pro-Bush site, this is a SwiftVets site with representation from all political parties. No more tangental talk of the president. Stick to the relevant issues.) |
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Tom Poole
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| Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 7:56 pm Post subject: Why... |
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I'm telling you again, my hackles say this guy is just wasting your time, bandwidth and disk space. He's not serious about finding the truth. He's just serious about supporting Kerry.
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Navy_Navy_Navy
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| Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 7:57 pm Post subject: Re: Why... |
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| Tom Poole wrote: | | I'm telling you again, my hackles say this guy is just wasting your time, bandwidth and disk space. He's not serious about finding the truth. He's just serious about supporting Kerry. |
A water Kerry-er???? 
Nahhhhh.... not Ted! 
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ted
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| Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Scott wrote: | | Might have been, but for the events in question, weren't. |
And exactly what are you talking about? Which "witness" are we talking about here who saw kerry fake something for a medal? |
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Scott
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| ted wrote: | | ...that the other "witnesses" might have been on a boat several hundered yards away, at night, in the fog or under attack themselves and not exactly in the best postion to be a "pedistrian" watching an accident happen in front of them. |
Speculation.
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PENJ
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| Scott wrote: | By your logic, the passengers in a car crash would be good witnesses, whereas the pedestrian on the sidewalk that witnessed the accident, wouldn't.
Right? |
Actually, pedestrian witnesses to a car crash are rarely considered reliable as (1) there is the often unprovable question of whether they were truly there and (2) there is the question of whether they were truly focussing on an event in which they were not involved. Because one of the parties can load up the witness stand with people who claimed they saw the accident, most judges simply question the parties directly involved. |
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kmudd
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| Ted, doesn't Kerry meeting with the enemy while the war is going on and Americans dying bother you at all ? |
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drjohn
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| ted wrote: | | Scott wrote: | By your logic, the passengers in a car crash would be good witnesses, whereas the pedestrian on the sidewalk that witnessed the accident, wouldn't.
Right? |
I see your point, except that the other "witnesses" might have been on a boat several hundered yards away, at night, in the fog or under attack themselves and not exactly in the best postion to be a "pedistrian" watching an accident happen in front of them.
Eyewitness accounts are notoriously unreliable in the best of circumstances, let alone 35 years after the fact. And that includes the men on Kerry's boat too. |
Ted
Admiral Schachte was on the skimmer when he saw Kerry wound himself. That's proximity. On 13 Mar 1969 there were either 3 or 4 other boats besides Kerry's and they were near each. Rassman said that he dove to avoid being run over. Those boats were close together. They HAD to be.
Consider this- over and over the Swifties' stories remain absolutely consistent. Kerry's Cambodia story took one hit and it fell apart immediately. Brinkley is rushing to correct his book as we write. Sandusky remembers Kerry "all shot up and bleeding" on 13 Mar 1969. Kerry was never shot.
There are too many holes in Kerry's stories.
That's really ironic. In an interview with the LA Times Kerry is quoted as having counted 180 bullet holes in the 94 boat on 13 Mar 1969, but not a single bullet hole is in the damage report for that day.
The after action reports posted on Kerry's website do not match the Spot Reports posted on Kerry's website and hardly any of it matches Brinkley's book.
Kerry will not withstand close scrutiny. This is why the media is now in full panic. They nets will not touch this story thus far because they know it represents the techtonic shift that would change this election.
They are scared to death of this story.
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ted
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| kmudd wrote: | | Ted, doesn't Kerry meeting with the enemy while the war is going on and Americans dying bother you at all ? |
Yes actually, that does bother me. I'm trying to learn more about it, however - it's not something I have read enough about to make a judgement on. |
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ord33
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PENJ
Fine, change the scenario to a football coach, or official/referee describing events which took place on the field. It can be verified they are at the scene and it is inherently their job to be aware of events going on. Similarly, the swift vets would be very aware of their surroundings and knowledgeable of the other boats. |
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kmudd
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| ted wrote: | | kmudd wrote: | | Ted, doesn't Kerry meeting with the enemy while the war is going on and Americans dying bother you at all ? |
Yes actually, that does bother me. I'm trying to learn more about it, however - it's not something I have read enough about to make a judgement on. |
Does it bother you that his current spokesman says Kerry had no intention of going to talk to communists and the peace talks? Did Kerry just happen to run into the communists in Paris ? |
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dcrhere
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Been lurking here and thought I'd jump in. I'm not a vet, but I support the swifties 100%. Here's the question I'd like answered by Senator Kerry about his first Purple heart:
Senator Kerry, were you are were you not treated for your first PH by Dr. Littman (sp?). If not, who treated you (and how, since it's documented that Dr. Littman was the only MD assigned to your base)?
And if he did in fact treat you, how could you let your official campaign spokemen defame him like this?
Even if you don't like his opinion of your wound, he DID treat you. In light of this, do you consider your actions (and those of your surrogates) towards this fellow vet honorable?
Would Sen. McCain?
This isn't something that happened 35 years ago - this is happening NOW - and it tells me volumes about Kerry's character.
Other questions I have about his PH:
Why is there no supporting documentation for this PH on his website (unlike the other two?)
Why is this PH dated three months after the incident, where as the other two are dated soon ofter the event in question?
The SBVTs have an explanation for this. Does Senator Kerry? |
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Scott
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| Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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X Ring!
I'd like to hear John Kerry answer those questions myself!
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Tom Poole
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| Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 8:34 pm Post subject: Why... |
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Hear, hear! I'd like to hear that too. Good job dcrhere! A fresh look always opens some eyes, even my tired old ones.
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