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ted
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You GottaBeKidding wrote:
Ted,

First you say that you trust the eyewitness accounts of those on Kerry's boat more than those of people who might be only a few yards away, and then you talk about how poor eyewitness testimony can be.

Yep!

BTW, some of us who haven't read the book haven't been able to get our hands on a copy yet. Mine's on order.

I have seen enough information here to trust John O'Neill and the swift boat vets.

Sure it's partisan! Go to DU (although you're probably a member) and tell me that's not partisan. If this were DU, you wouldn't be allowed to post here.


As I pointed out in another post on the eyewitness accounts, EVEN the ones from the boat will be subject to question, and rightly so. But when you have to decide between which side to believe (because they both can't be right, can they?) then I think the guys on the boat probably a better bet on who to believe.

And no, I'm not a member of "DU", that is assuming you are referring to the "**". Those guys are just as partisan to the left as many rights are on free republic. Contrary to what some people have said about in here, I like to think that I am an independant.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ted wrote:
But when you have to decide between which side to believe (because they both can't be right, can they?) then I think the guys on the boat probably a better bet on who to believe.


Let's see THOSE guys questioned without their DNC "minders" - but I suppose by the time they ARE made available, they will all be so rehearsed on what to say, they will even blink in unison.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But Ted ,the Vets on Kerry's boat in the first purple heart case say something to the effect that they have no idea how Kerry got wounded.And they say there was no hostile fire.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

air_vet wrote:
Let's see THOSE guys questioned without their DNC "minders" - but I suppose by the time they ARE made available, they will all be so rehearsed on what to say, they will even blink in unison.



LOL! Very Happy

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You GottaBeKidding wrote:
Sure it's partisan! Go to DU (although you're probably a member) and tell me that's not partisan. If this were DU, you wouldn't be allowed to post here.


I know this is directed to Ted, but, as someone who is just joining the conversation here, I stated very clearly when I signed up that I am a John Kerry supporter. As far as the DU board goes.. you are correct and, for that reason, I rarely post on the DU board. (I've posted far more often on the Hannity board, as well as lesser known non-partisan boards.)

Anyway.. sorry that I didn't mention it earlier, but I did e-mail the moderator that I am a John Kerry supporter. If you don't like that, you can kick me off, but I did send $20 to Amazon for O'Neill/Corsi book and I will read it. (I have also read "New Soldier", "Tour of Duty" and the Globe book.)

Seriously, this is not my board. I know that I am a guest. If I become an unwelcome guest, I'll post somewhere else. (I post with the same initials on all the boards.)
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Navy_Navy_Navy wrote:
PENJ wrote:

Why then wasn't this impropriety pursued either by the Fullbright Committee or by the Nixon administration? The Nixon Administration, after all, as evidenced by the tapes, took great interest in Kerry's testimony and were looking for ways to discredit him.



Probably at least partly for the same reason that the President doesn't have him arrested now, even though there is no statute of limitations.

Nixon couldn't afford to be seen as abusing his Presidential power.

And you have to think about these things in the context of the times, the mood of the country, the sadness and the despair about the war.


Well, Nixon may not have wanted to make Kerry a martyr and he certainly had many fish to fry at that time. I am not sure, however, that Nixon was too afraid of abusing his power at that time.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PENJ wrote:
sorry that I didn't mention it earlier, but I did e-mail the moderator that I am a John Kerry supporter. If you don't like that, you can kick me off, but I did send $20 to Amazon for O'Neill/Corsi book and I will read it. (I have also read "New Soldier", "Tour of Duty" and the Globe book.)


Speaking for myself, I guess all I can hope for is that you keep an open mind as you read and review the available information.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ted,

Since you seem to be a fair minded Kerry supporter, I urge you to read the book. Then check out the references as much as you can, and then decide for yourself.

That said, would you not agree that Sen. Kerry absolutely must sign that Standard Form 180. If he is telling the truth, then his complete service record should back him, no?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polaris wrote:
Ted,

Since you seem to be a fair minded Kerry supporter, I urge you to read the book. Then check out the references as much as you can, and then decide for yourself.

That said, would you not agree that Sen. Kerry absolutely must sign that Standard Form 180. If he is telling the truth, then his complete service record should back him, no?


I am going to read the book. And I do support asking Kerry to sign the 180, no question. I have stated that several times in this thread.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ted, how did Kerry burn down villages without his crew knowing about it?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 9:54 pm    Post subject: For those seeking a demonstration of my panic... Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

D21014
Kerry met with the enemy while our troops were still on the ground. That alone makes him unfit He did this not once but twice.
Bush served in the National Guard and flew the F102. This is alot lot more than Clinton did.Clinton promised to go to ROTC and then said he wouldn't and left the country. The National Guard had many thousands killed in Vietnam. Were they cowards?


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perimeter clear
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

D21014 and Ted,

First of all flying jets is no picnic even in peacetime....and bear in mind that TANG (Texas Air Natl Guard) often did patrols near Cuban airspace during the cold war. Secondly LT. Bush did apply for PALACE CHASE (that would have sent him to Vietnam) but he was denied. That's all I will speak about Pres. Bush.

As for the medals, at the risk of sounding self-important, you have to be a Vet to really understand what a lot of us are upset about. Honor and Integrity...and heck downright Character are essential components to leadership...and if Kerry "embellished" his record, then he lacks character. I am toning down my feeling on this considerably BTW.

As bad as that is, I am much more bothered by his activities after the war...especially meeting with representatives of the enemy while still a commissioned officer. I want to hear more about that. If the charge is true (and I am becoming more and more inclined to believe it), then the only office Kerry should be holding is one in Levenworth, Kansas....and the only job he should be doing is turning big rocks into little rocks.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kmudd wrote:
Ted, how did Kerry burn down villages without his crew knowing about it?


Can you clarify the statement again where Kerry said that? Are you talking about what he said in front of congress or some other time?
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