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Son Of The Godfather · Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 3:38 am Post subject:

They sure are giving ol' Max a bunch of airtime on Hardball...

And Mathews last remark "The Bush people didn't want to come up against the people on today's show."
Translates to: "Oh crap, can't defend so let's let Max drone on and on with his nonesense."

SOTG
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Herb · Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 3:43 am Post subject:

Preface: I like Michelle Malkin and Mathews was a creep

Michelle did an AWFUL job by not knowing the facts -- Mathews is right that no one has seriously suggested Kerry PURPOSELY self-inflicted his wounds -- but it is clear that he NEGLIGENT self-inflicted at least two of them.

Chris DREW her into this trap as he forced Thurlow into the the "should Bush attack Kerry" and then "what earned him that right?".

BUT, both Michelle and Thurlow performed very poorly by not being properly prepared to STICK TO THE FACTS -- no supposition, just facts and testimony.
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GenrXr · Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 3:49 am Post subject:

EEEEEP I love Maulkin but how in the hell can she not know what self-inflicted means. Grrr sometimes the erudites are too smart to understand the simple. Someone needs to let her know that yes self-inflicted can be causing a injury on purpose to yourself or in Kerrys case firing a grenade and having some shrapnel hit your arm by accident. Both are self-inflicted, but she made it seem the former was what kerry did rather then the latter. She made it appear self-inflicted could have only one meaning and the wrong one at that.
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iggit · Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 3:53 am Post subject:

jack white · Seaman Joined: 04 Aug 2004 Posts: 179

I just read your comments rather than watch Hardball. Chris Matthews wants a job as a John Kerry speechwriter, and has run a 60-minute infomercial for the Democrats since 2002 in hopes he can help his boy. I quit watching about this time and about the time he declared Afghanistan another Vietnam, which showed he understood neither.

There is absolutely NO reason any SBVT, Republican, or even moderate Independent or Democrat should appear on the same set with this stupid, bloviating Kerry sycophant.

thordaddy · Seaman Recruit Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Posts: 27

This issue is so bad for the Bush Campaign that the Kerry Campaign wants it all swept under the rug. Make sense? No, of course not!

drjohn · Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 4:06 am Post subject:

Matthews screamed at Thurlow yelling that Thurlow had no hard proof that Kerry had a plan to be a hero.

Then he spent the rest of the show accusing Bush of controlling the SwftVet ad without a shred of proof.

Matthews stutters when he is really angry.

Why didn't Matthews ask wWhy Kerry didn't stop Moveon.org from making Bush into Hitler?

How about asking Kerry to call of Michael Moore?

see how Matthews twists things when it isn't going the way he wants?

Id' share with you all the many emails I sent but I'd get booted for posting vulgarity.

It wasn't ptretty.

Herb · Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 4:13 am Post subject:

Navy_Navy_Navy · Admin Joined: 07 May 2004 Posts: 5777

I would get on top of this particular concept very fast - Olberman just repeated the claim that if the Bush campaign is going to accuse John Kerry of shooting himself......

Self-inflicted wound DOES NOT EQUAL intentionally shooting oneself.
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bach04 · Lieutenant Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 212

"There is absolutely NO reason any SBVT, Republican, or even moderate Independent or Democrat should appear on the same set with this stupid, bloviating Kerry sycophant"

I agree with Jack on this one. It is impossible to convey any meaningful thoughts to this psychopath, he won't just wont' let you. While it is important to get the truth out, it is also important to realize that these Matthews is among the hardcore leftists who will take any slip of the tongue, any tiny inconsistency, and will try to bury you with it. John O'Neill can handle that nutcase because he has much experiences with public debates and he can immediately sense any pending traps. But the silver lining is that the vast majority of people will walk away with the conclusion that Matthews is just a nutcase.

Beldar · Seaman Apprentice Joined: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 77

I didn't see the show.

But don't give too little credit to the American public. Lincoln was absolutely right -- Matthews and the other Kerry proxies can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but not all of the people (or even a majority of them) all of the time.

Bullying and stridency make powerful subliminal impressions, especially when they're repeated.

Trying to control or script the SwiftVets, trying to turn them into pre-programmed answer machines, is probably not a good idea.

Collectively, the public -- whether as voters or jurors -- are genuinely good at spotting a phony. It's great to have a calm, collected, articulate guy like O'Neill as a principle spokesman. But he's not an eyewitness. You have to let the people see the eyewitnesses -- even under stress, even if they make missteps. And keep plugging away at it. The truth will have out.

integritycounts · Rear Admiral Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 667

the Entire Matthews line of questioning was joke. He can go bonkers all he wants, go after all the gotcha details he can, try to pin people into corners like with the "shoot self" thing.

But in the end, the Truth has a sniff to it.....People can sniff it out.

Kerry does not have the truth.

Matthews and other DNC cronies can shout and interrupt and make wild conclusions all they want.

But the Truth counts, and tonight the fear of the truth was all over Matthews face.

SWVTsupporter · Ensign Joined: 20 Aug 2004 Posts: 51

Hey everybody. Couldn't stand on the sidelines any more.

Somebody needs to do a handwriting analysis on that report to see if Kerry did fill it out by himself.

Matthews is so totally rude and cuts everybody off.
Michelle was unfortunately lost with the term "self-inflicted" and really missed a chance to knock down Matthews.

Mr. Thurlow I think was repeating comments that were said about Kerry wanting to be the new JFK while over there and it didn't work.

Should be interesting to see what the Dems come up with tomorrow and how the press spins it.

I couldn't help but notice that none of the Kerry people were allowed to speak tonight. I guess they all have to work on their b.s. lines for tomorrow. LOL.

GenrXr · Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 6:10 am Post subject: