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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 1:20 am    Post subject: O'Neill Dares Kerry: 'Sue Me' Reply with quote

With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff
Sunday, Aug. 22, 2004 3:44 p.m. EDT

O'Neill Dares Kerry: 'Sue Me'

Swiftboat Veterans for the Truth spokesman John O'Neill dared Sen. John Kerry on Sunday to sue him for libel if, as Kerry's presidential campaign maintains, key claims in O'Neill's book "Unfit for Command" are not true.



"I invite him to sue me for libel," O'Neill, who co-authored the overnight bestseller with Jerome Corsi, told WABC Radio's Monica Crowley.

"If he was actually in Cambodia on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day he should sue me. If, in fact, those other five [Swift]boats, on March the 13, [1969], if they all fled like he did, instead of staying like he knows they did, he should sue me."

O'Neill continued, "If he didn't wound himself with a grenade, causing sort of a rice-fanny wound, and then reported it to the Navy as a water mine - if he didn't do that on March 13th he should sue me."

O'Neill issued the challenge after noting that Kerry's campaign has gone to extraordinary lengths to suppress the information in "Unfit for Command."

"On our first [Swiftvet] ad, he had two huge law firms send letters to every [TV] station, threatening to sue the stations themselves" if they ran the ad, the former Swiftboat commander told Crowley.

"The next thing he did was challenge the book's publisher, Regnery, indicating he would sue them if they continued printing the book," he added.

The bestselling author said that while Regnery declined to stop printing "Unfit," it offered to republish Kerry's 1971 book "The New Soldier," which chronicles the top Democrat's anti-war protests with a group bankrolled by Jane Fonda.

Kerry has declined to have "New Soldier" republished over the years and reportedly bought up most of the available copies in 1972, after his opponent in a congressional race used it to paint him as anti-American.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 1:23 am    Post subject: O'Neill Dares Kerry: 'Sue Me' Reply with quote

With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff
Sunday, Aug. 22, 2004 3:44 p.m. EDT

O'Neill Dares Kerry: 'Sue Me'

Swiftboat Veterans for the Truth spokesman John O'Neill dared Sen. John Kerry on Sunday to sue him for libel if, as Kerry's presidential campaign maintains, key claims in O'Neill's book "Unfit for Command" are not true.



"I invite him to sue me for libel," O'Neill, who co-authored the overnight bestseller with Jerome Corsi, told WABC Radio's Monica Crowley.

"If he was actually in Cambodia on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day he should sue me. If, in fact, those other five [Swift]boats, on March the 13, [1969], if they all fled like he did, instead of staying like he knows they did, he should sue me."

O'Neill continued, "If he didn't wound himself with a grenade, causing sort of a rice-fanny wound, and then reported it to the Navy as a water mine - if he didn't do that on March 13th he should sue me."

O'Neill issued the challenge after noting that Kerry's campaign has gone to extraordinary lengths to suppress the information in "Unfit for Command."

"On our first [Swiftvet] ad, he had two huge law firms send letters to every [TV] station, threatening to sue the stations themselves" if they ran the ad, the former Swiftboat commander told Crowley.

"The next thing he did was challenge the book's publisher, Regnery, indicating he would sue them if they continued printing the book," he added.

The bestselling author said that while Regnery declined to stop printing "Unfit," it offered to republish Kerry's 1971 book "The New Soldier," which chronicles the top Democrat's anti-war protests with a group bankrolled by Jane Fonda.

Kerry has declined to have "New Soldier" republished over the years and reportedly bought up most of the available copies in 1972, after his opponent in a congressional race used it to paint him as anti-American.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

John McCain jumped too quickly to condemn the Swift Vets and their ad as "dishonest and dishonorable." That was typical McCain.....not looking before leaping. He did the same thing over the Abu Ghraib prison scandal as he condemned before getting any details. He is not one of my favorite Republicans.

Also, could he have refused to let Kerry use the 2000 confrontation with Bush in Kerry's latest ad? At least he could have asked him not to. And if Kerry didn't ask, would McCain ask him to remove that part of the ad?

' Sure would like to hear your response, Sen. McCain.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 1:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your right about that and if McCain does nothing about Kerry's add using him, well we know where he stands.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 2:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubt McCain will come out and say anything against the Kerry ad...which he should since he was so quick to condemn the swiftvets. We will just have to wait and see...maybe I should e-mail him again about the new Kerry ad Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

phrein wrote:
I have sent John McCain 4 emails since his claim of the Swift Boat Ad being dishonorable and dishonest.

I have yet to receive a reply. I'm sure he has nothing to say.

I live in Arizona. You would think that he would reply to a constituent!

Maybe he is not replying, because the first email, I said that I would never vote for him again. Evil or Very Mad


You need to contact the local offices instead of sending emails to D.C. Start a grassroots in your area and bombard the local office - they will call D.C. and tell him his got a problem and then maybe they will reply Cool

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 3:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Now I know that Bob Smith worked with Kerry on many aspects of the Vietnam investigation, but departed on the final decision to normalize relations. I respect Smith on this. That said, I do wonder whether the reason we have received little information since normalization is because there is little information to gain[/quote]

This is news to me Wink I worked with Senator Smith for four years on the POW/MIA Commission and I didn't hear Smith say anything kind about Kerry. In fact, Senator Smith had to pull the load for the Vietnam War Working Group since Kerry wouldn't do anything for the four years. Congressman Pete Peterson did as well - but he sold out when Clinton asked him to be the Ambassador to Vietnam. Funny thing is, Pete Peterson told me he couldn't stand Clinton and didn't want to run again because of him. Anyway- sorry to butt in Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 3:43 am    Post subject: John McCain Reply with quote

I sent an e-mail to John McCain today asking him to rethink what he said against the Swift Boat Vets. My husband is Naval Officer from Phoenix, AZ and is at this moment sitting onboard a Naval ship in the Persian Gulf. He has one brother who served in the Army and was a POW in Vietnam and his other brother was in the Navy during that time also serving our country. When McCain attacks these SwiftVets, he is attacking all veterans and those that are serving in our military today. Please join me in calling on John McCain to step up and do as Bob Dole did tonight on CNN (I do not normally watch CNN) but for some reason I turned it on at just the right time! McCain should be as honest as Bob Dole was tonight!
I hope John McCain's computers overheat with e-mails.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 4:00 am    Post subject: Re: John McCain Reply with quote

Cali-HeyGirl wrote:
I sent an e-mail to John McCain today asking him to rethink what he said against the Swift Boat Vets. My husband is Naval Officer from Phoenix, AZ and is at this moment sitting onboard a Naval ship in the Persian Gulf. He has one brother who served in the Army and was a POW in Vietnam and his other brother was in the Navy during that time also serving our country. When McCain attacks these SwiftVets, he is attacking all veterans and those that are serving in our military today. Please join me in calling on John McCain to step up and do as Bob Dole did tonight on CNN (I do not normally watch CNN) but for some reason I turned it on at just the right time! McCain should be as honest as Bob Dole was tonight!
I hope John McCain's computers overheat with e-mails.


I only watch CNN with my LEFT eye. I keep the Right eye for credible news sources. I think McCain is getting the message.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 4:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sent mine. Extremely respectfully of course - cause my little booty is still serving and it don't take much to be in twubble Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

McCain is entitled to his opinions. He thinks the AD was over the top.
Maybe it was. Thats beside the point.

Write him and ask him to publically ask Senator Kerry to sign SF-180.

Then we can know if the ad was 'dishonorable.'
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PENJ wrote:


Could it just be that they had come to respect each other through working with each other and that McCain appreciates the veterans who stood up for him, Republican and Democrat, when his service was attacked in 2000?



Then the honorable thing for the man to do would be to remain silent. By issuing no comment, he would neither help the traitor, nor enrage the vetrans.

That would be the best way for the man to respect his closure with Kerry without smearing himself with dog poo.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I urge everyone to email, write, fax, and call Senator McCain. I have no idea if it is possible to provide enough info and activity to change his position, but if he did, it would be devastating to Kerry. Here is what I wrote at this link:

http://mccain.senate.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Contact.Home

I served (for 12 months, not 4) with the 1/9th Air Cavalry in Vietnam from 1969-70. Veterens have fought and died to defend our freedoms, including the freedom of speech. I do not understand why you are opposed to letting Vietnam and Swift Boat Veterans express their views. What evidence do you have (that the rest of us do not) that shows that the Swift Boat ad info is dishonest and dishonorable? Wouldn't your wingman (as well as a co-pilot) have a worthwhile view on your actions as a pilot? Why is Kerry given a press pass to only releasae selected military service records and why hasn't Kerry signed a form 180 to release all his records and why haven't you called upon him to do so (as Pres. Bush has done)? Under your campaign finance reform are only billionaires like George Soros allowed to express their views? Why haven't you called upon the Kerry campaign to fire MoveOn staffer Zach Exley? Why is the DNC able to coordinate with MoveOn? We Vietnam veterans are used to being maligned and spat upon, but we expected to be able to exercise our freedom of speech, especially as Kerry invited us to "bring it on" when he "reported for duty."
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 2:10 pm    Post subject: Senator McCain needs a wake-up call!! Reply with quote

I think John McCain needs to accept responsibility for his knee-jerk negative reaction to the SwiftVets, without first learning the facts. He, more than anyone, should be very deliberate before condemning any group of Vietnam veterans.

He has now allowed the "enemy" (Kerry campaign) to use him against President Bush and against this group of veterans, just as Kerry helped the enemy against the U.S. during the Vietnam war.

Apparently McCain needs this pointed out to him.

Maybe then he would realize he has been Kerry's best weapon in tarnishing the reputation of an honorable President and an honorable group of veterans, not unlike the way Kerry hurt McCain and other American POW's during Vietnam.

Maybe if McCain was awakened to this, it would hit home, and he would take a stand and stop allowing himself to be the pawn of Kerry and the DNC. He has provided their side its only useful ammo, his own words of condemnation of the SwiftVets, which they have repeatedly used to deflect the serious charges against Kerry and level even more false accusations toward President Bush.

McCain has been aiding and abetting, whether intentional or not.

He needs a big-time wake-up call, and Senator Bob Dole might be just the guy to deliver it!

Maybe we should mass-email both of them for help in this matter.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

7rrfs wrote:
McCain is entitled to his opinions. He thinks the AD was over the top.
Maybe it was. Thats beside the point.

Write him and ask him to publically ask Senator Kerry to sign SF-180.

Then we can know if the ad was 'dishonorable.'



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