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mikest
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 Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 1:10 am Post subject: Re: At it again in Florida |
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| colmurph wrote: |
Well, perhaps you can explain why my Dad keeps voting for the Democratic Ticket. He was a registered Republican but ever since he died in 1974 he's voted as a Democrat. |
If he was black and had a similar name as a felon, he would have been dropped from the Florida rolls. |
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Keith
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 1:55 am Post subject: Re: At it again in Florida |
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| mikest wrote: | | If he was black and had a similar name as a felon, he would have been dropped from the Florida rolls. |
Ah yes, the race card is played. Let's hear about how Republicans are taking away minority rights, then let's hear about how well minorities are represented in the Kerry campaign as opposed to the Bush administration, and don't forget the scare tactics of church burnings.
Then again, Senator Byrd (a Democrat) was a member of the Klan, Senator Hollings (Democrat) pushed for a variation of the Confederate flag to fly over SC when he was governor, George Bush has better minority representation then even Bill Clinton, our "first black president", and if I'm not mistaken, it was Republicans who helped President Johnson push through civil rights bills over the objections of Southern Democrats (but I confess I didn't do the research here, going from memory).
It's a shame folks are still being fooled by these scare tactics and shameful that they are still used.
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mikest
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 1:57 am Post subject: |
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| I guess you missed the felon purge story. |
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LewWaters
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 1:59 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | If he was black and had a similar name as a felon, he would have been dropped from the Florida rolls. |
If he was active duty military serving overseas, his vote would be blocked by technicalities. That is, unless he wrote DEMOCRAT in huge letters all over the outside.
I was born and raised in South Florida, spent about 25 years of my life there and let me tell you, it is one of the most corrupt areas of the state. No wonder Gore chose those three counties, all interconnected to each other.
| Quote: | Monday, Nov. 12, 2001; 8:52 a.m. EST
Bush Wins 2000 Election Yet Again
It seems that no matter how many times the media recount Florida's 2000 presidential election votes the results are the same -- George Bush beat Al Gore.
But the latest and final recount, sponsored by a media consortium that included 62,000 never-before counted "undervotes" adds an even more definitive twist to the Democratic Party's Florida defeat.
"The new data, compiled by the Associated Press and seven other news organizations, also suggested that Gore followed a legal strategy after Election Day that would have led to his defeat even if it had not been rejected by the U.S. Supreme Court," reported the New York Post Monday.
The consortium completed the two partial recounts that team Gore unsuccessfully pursued in court. Results showed a Bush win by a margin of at least 225 votes.
Only when the most liberal standards were applied to all disputed ballots statewide -- something Gore never sought -- did the former veep gain an edge of anywhere from 42 to 171 votes.
The conclusion that Gore would have lost even without the high court's help is sure to disappoint Democrats who have argued that Bush was "selected" by the Supremes rather than elected by the people.
NewsMax.com
Wednesday, May 9, 2001
Part one of Bill Sammon’s blockbuster book, "At Any Cost: How Al Gore Tried to Steal the Election," revealed how the networks cost George W. Bush at least 10,000 votes in Florida by making an early - and completely false - call giving the state’s 25 electoral votes to Al Gore.
Al Gore, who kept insisting that "every vote be counted,” robbed American troops serving their country overseas of their right to vote, according to Bill Sammon's investigation of Gore’s shameful, underhanded fight for Florida’s crucial electoral votes.
To illustrate the depths to which Gore sank in his effort to steal the election from George W. Bush, Sammon tells the shocking story of Navy Lt. John Russell, a heroic career officer who had just fought to help save the crew of USS Cole after it was bombed by terrorists in Yemen.
He tells how Russell was rousted out of bed days after the election to take a phone call from his wife that stunned him. His vote, she told him, had been disqualified. He had been deprived of his right to vote
"Mrs. Russell explained that she had just gotten home when she received a phone call from a woman at the Duval County elections office who said her husband´s absentee ballot in the presidential election had been disqualified at the urging of Democratic lawyers on behalf of Vice President Al Gore, the party´s presidential nominee,” Sammon wrote.
"A few minutes later, Mrs. Russell told her husband, she got a call from a man with the Republican Party. He confirmed that Lt. Russell´s ballot had been disqualified - along with hundreds of others that the Democrats had protested.”
Russell’s reaction was heated, he told Sammon. "I was hot. Here I am, deployed overseas. I´ve done everything I can to cast my ballot properly. And I find out my vote doesn´t count because of a lousy postmark - even though they received it before Election Day."
In early November, Russell was in the midst of a six-month deployment to the Western Pacific and Indian Ocean aboard the USS Tarawa. His ship had been detoured to Yemen because of the terrorist attack on the Cole. On arrival this dedicated officer volunteered to take charge of a tugboat to move the damaged ship to a safer mooring.
Knowing that the mail was slow and undependable, he took pains to mail his ballot early enough so that it would reach Florida by Election Day. Russell tells how he had arranged for the Duval County elections office to send him an absentee ballot.
"One of the things I´ve learned when you´re deployed overseas is the time it takes the mail to get back," Russell told Sammon. "I don´t care how quickly you throw it in the mailbox. It can take up to 30 days to get back to the States. So as soon as I got my absentee ballot, I got it witnessed [and] dated, and threw it back in the mailbox."
His ballot arrived at the Duval County elections office Nov. 6, the day before the election, about the same time he was helping play host to the grief-stricken sailors of the Cole and allowing investigators to take over his office on the Tarawa. Russell, who is proud of the fact that he had voted in every election since he was old enough to cast a ballot, was infuriated to learn from his wife on Nov. 18 that his ballot had been thrown out by Gore’s lawyers on the grounds that because it lacked a postmark he could have sent it after the election - despite the fact that it had arrived the day before the election.
"Oh, I was torqued," the lieutenant told Sammon. "Especially after that Palm Beach crap. They weren´t confused about the ballot. And yet it looked like their votes were going to be counted. But to hell with the military."
Gore’s atttempt to invalidate the votes of America’s servicemen and women was part of a strategy outlined in a memo that fell into the hands of GOP lawyers. The memo outlined the steps Gore’s lawyers were to take in challenging absentee military ballots.
One of Bush’s lawyers was a Panhandle attorney named Ed Fleming. He had been recruited to join the small army of legal experts to help stave off Gore’s attempt to reverse the election results. "There was a rumor that there was going to be concerted, organized opposition to try to keep out the military votes, and so they asked me if I would monitor the situation here in northwest Florida," Fleming told Sammon. "I knew the county attorneys around here, so I called Tom Dannheisser, who´s the county attorney in Santa Rosa County."
Dannheisser told Flemming that he had gotten his hands on a five-page memo from a Democrat lawyer dated that day that spelled out the Gore team’s shoddy game plan to disqualify military ballots. It was written by Mark Herron, a lawyer working for Gore in the postelection battle.
"Herron distributed what obviously was intended to be a confidential memo to their lawyers, to give them reasons to challenge the ballots," Fleming told Sammon. "But one of the attorneys that they hired locally to do that said, 'Well, gee, this seems good. I´ll just send it to the county attorney in advance, so he´ll know what points I´m going to make at the canvassing board meeting.´
"So he sent it to the county attorney of Santa Rosa. It was one of the dumber lawyers that had been retained by the Florida Democratic Party," Fleming said.
After having determined that the memo was a public record by virtue of having been sent to Dannheisser’s in his capacity as county attorney, Flemming carefully read what he realized was the Gore team’s "smoking gun."
The memo instructed Democrat lawyers to make "pettifogging objections” to military ballots, especially those not postmarked.
"I sent the memo up to Tallahassee that afternoon, and it all started from there," Fleming recalls with a chuckle. Upon receiving the Herron memo, the Bush command center in Tallahassee faxed it to Republican lawyers in all 67 Florida counties, Sammon wrote. The military ballots were to be publicly tallied the next day by canvassing boards across the state.
The main battlegound was Duval County, home to more military families than any other county in Florida. Duval had more absentee ballots from overseas than any other county - 618 of 3,500 cast statewide. Five Gore lawyers showed up at the elections office at 9 a.m. Friday to disqualify as many of those ballots as possible.
Tom Bishop, one of the Republican lawyers, was incensed as he watched the Democrats, armed with the smoking-gun memo, blatantly go about disqualify large numbers of military ballots.
"They had their little cheat sheet they were using, and they objected on every single possible ground they could, no matter how spurious," Bishop told Sammon. "It was so bad that there was rolling of the eyes by even some of the Democrats there who were watching their lawyers work."
Before Nov. 17, the Duval supervisor of elections compared signatures on ballot envelopes against signature cards on file. He could find only two absentee ballots that could not be included because the signatures did not match.
"But now the Democrats insisted that they be allowed to compare all signatures, one by one. For seven tedious hours, they bitterly argued that signatures on more than 100 envelopes did not precisely match the signature cards - although some envelopes had been signed by sailors on rolling seas in hostile situations,” Sammon wrote.
"You could clearly tell it was the same person´s signature, but they would object because it didn´t have a certain curlicue or didn´t have a certain twist or it was smaller," Bishop told him.
The Democrat lawyers sought to disqualify military ballots that had no overseas postmark on the grounds that some voters might have marked their ballots a day or two after the election and then mailed them in.
"But the Gore lawyers took this argument to absurd lengths by actually disqualifying ballots received before Nov. 7. One belonged to a sailor named John Russell, whose vote was unceremoniously thrown out.”
"I don´t know how somebody in the Sea of Japan or the Indian Ocean could have miraculously gotten it here on the sixth of November if it was supposedly mailed after the election," Bishop told Sammon. "The whole idea behind the foreign postmark is to make sure it´s timely." The Gore lawyers also protested ballots on which the return address of the attesting witness was incomplete. They challenged ballots on which foreign postmarks were smudged or partially illegible.
"Our goal was to challenge every vote that didn´t appear legitimate," says Mike Langton, Gore campaign chairman for northeast Florida.
By 7 p.m., the Democrats protested against 147 absentee ballots. The canvassing board agreed to hear formal arguments from the Gore and Bush camps.
A full 19 hours after it began, the nightmarish battle over Duval´s military ballots came to an end. When the canvassing board announced that the ballots of 149 soldiers, sailors and airmen had been disqualified, a pair of jubilant Gore lawyers actually exchanged high-fives for their victory against America’s service personnel.
"A Republican, visibly shaken by this sight, demanded to know how they could celebrate the disenfranchisement of U.S. military personnel risking their lives around the world. One of the Gore lawyers glibly replied: ‘A win´s a win.’" Statewide, Gore’s henchmen had been able to disqualify 1,420 ballots statewide - or more than 40 percent of the 3,500 cast.
Dick Cheney, who had overseen the Persian Gulf war as secretary of defense, was infuriated by Gore’s attempted sneak attack on America’s servicemen and women serving their nation overseas, some in harm’s way. "Of all the dirty tricks attempted by Mr. Gore during the postelection struggle, Mr. Cheney considered this the dirtiest,” Sammon wrote.
"I have strong feelings about the right of our people in uniform to vote - and they, perhaps, above all others," Cheney told him. "They´re out there putting their lives on the line for us. For the other camp to pursue a conscious strategy to try to disqualify their ballots, I thought, was bad form." |
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mikest
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 2:14 am Post subject: |
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| Interesting. So all of those ballots that were sent in too late, read after the election, were only for Dems? |
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LewWaters
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 3:07 am Post subject: |
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Mike, please put on your glasses next time you read. If they arrived the day before election day, were they after?
Try actually reading something, sometime.  |
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Speedy
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 3:59 am Post subject: |
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| mikest wrote: | | Interesting. So all of those ballots that were sent in too late, read after the election, were only for Dems? |
MY favorite was when the democrates were trying to get the votes of our overseas servicemen thrown out.
Son's a b*****s. |
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LewWaters
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 5:18 am Post subject: |
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Speedy, what amazed me about that time was Gore standing up saying eacha dn every vote needed to be counted, while he was issuing memoes on how to block military absentee ballots.
As close as the election was, I can't fault him for wanting a recount, but the extent that they took it too was ridiculous. Give me a machine count anyday over someone trying to discern what the voters intent may have been. |
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Speedy
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 5:21 am Post subject: |
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| LewWaters wrote: | Speedy, what amazed me about that time was Gore standing up saying eacha dn every vote needed to be counted, while he was issuing memoes on how to block military absentee ballots.
As close as the election was, I can't fault him for wanting a recount, but the extent that they took it too was ridiculous. Give me a machine count anyday over someone trying to discern what the voters intent may have been. |
Lew, I agree `100% w/ everything you said.
Gore and the Dems should forever be remembered for trying to block our servicmen's votes, as well as all of the other sh*t they pulled, and tried to pull.
Disgusting! |
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