SwiftVets.com

[cstrick]

Time to leave Kerry's war record alone, I loved the one showing his comments before Congress. But attacking his war record is overdone, the point is out, he over exaggerated his record.

Now attack the anti-war Kerry.

Let's talk about his trip to Paris in 1971 when he signed the symbolic peace treaty with the Viet-Cong.

From the congressional records:

[misako]

Thanks for third ad, straghtforward and simple. Next should be his anti-war junk and statements. Keep it up and good work, all and keep nailing his lies.

[cipher]

[cstrick]

better job that this third ad. The swifboat vets are running off donations from money from the avg joe, not the billionaires like the democrat 527's have. So they need for every ad to have the best bang for the buck. This current Gardner ad does reinforce what he has been saying on the news shows. But I think showing his record where he went to France to sign a symbolic peace treaty with the enemy while on reserve duty is much more damaging. When you have a full arsenal you can attack from all flaks, but a 527 with only 500K doesn't have a full arsenal, so they have to attack where it does the most damage.

[Integrity]

If I'm not mistaken, O'Neill is a very experienced attorney and I'm sure he's thought out many moves and counter moves considering probable responses from the Kerry camp.
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[cstrick]

That said, Bush is in the lead in the national polls now. So I might not be the one to listen to on this one.

I do know Kerry is a bad thing for this country. And this ad does contribute to the "drip, drip" affect. But I would have to think going to France to sign a symbolic peace treaty undermines Kerry's "bring France" on board.

But these guys have shown they know what they're doing, and are brave men to stand up to the Kerry attack dogs. Who will dig up whatever dirt they can find on them. They've got our back.

[rhv5862]

Simple and to the point, and by someone who was with Kerry the longest.
Spin masters have been feeding on the "not on the same boat" argument from the start. Now they have Steve Gardner who was on the same boat. It will interesting to see how they spin this.I am sure they will use the O'Neill conversation with Nixon but O'Neill has covered that very will.

RHV

[cipher]

[Herb]

The third ad is too little or too late.

"Christmas in Cambodia" is already a decided issue with Kerry admitting defeat -- Kerry lied -- and the press and other Democratic operatives madly spinning, "doesn't count, near the boarder, O'Neill did it too, Dec/Jan who cares?"

Someone pointed out that Garner was ON Kerry's boat but the Spin on this is that Garner was at NO "award events" so Garner cannot help on this "I was on his boat issue" unless that is the FOCUS.

If you are going to use Garner as such, it is time for the Sampan incident and the fraudulent report (He can repudiate Cambodia once if there is time but should tell the Cambodian story.)

My suggestions is to use SANDUSKY his OWN Pilot's press conference hen he OUTED Kerry's "no man left behind story":

Kerry closed the Democratic National Convention with a story in which he claimed that five swiftboats fled on March 13, 1969, after a mine explosion and only he came back to rescue Lt. James Rassman. His campaign now is admitting that he fled and the rest stayed, before he later returned for Rassman.

Sandusky explained "why" Kerry's boat did something he had long accused falsely the other boats of doing (i.e., FLEEING.)



So far: Kerry: 0 -- SwiftVets: 3 (on admitted points)

Kerry has admitted three LIES since the book "Unfit for Command" exposed the truth:

1) "Christmas in Cambodia" (four changes to Kerry's story already)

2) "The other boats fled, I went back alone" (Sandusky, Kerry's pilot, outed him on this one Thursday (8/19/04) by EXPLAINING WHY Kerry's boat left while the others were working to save the 3-boat)

3) 08/24/2004 After checking Kerry's bio and journal Kerry's campaign admits "...indeed possible that John Kerry's first Purple Heart commendation was the result of an, unintentional, self-inflicted wound."

Honorable mention: Before the book released he admitted to being at the VVAW meeting where murder of US Senators was discussed.


Items he must admit sooner or later:

1) No enemy fire at Bronze Star (other than initial mine)

2) 3rd Purple Heart was also self-inflicted due to negligence and not under fire NOR at the later "Bronze Star/fish weir" location

3) Silver Star -- fraudulent report claiming he single handedly attacked an entrenched enemy position and defeated a superior force (one fleeing VC)

4) Sampan incident killing child -- fraudent report claiming 5 VC killed and two capture (child's mother and baby brother)

5) Met with VC and North Vietnamese in Paris

6) Resolve his claim to have personally committed "war crimes and atrocities" by either admitting he lied or explaining his atrocities explicitly.

7) Kerry needs to release ALL of his military records by executing FORM 180 to publicly release them from archives.

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"I remember well April 1968 -- I was serving in Vietnam, a place of violence -- when the news reports brought home to me and my crewmates the violence back home, and the tragic news that one of the bullets flying that terrible spring took the life of [Dr. King]." John Kerry Jan 20, 2003, celebration in Richmond, VA www.vote-smart.org

Not in Nam till Nov 17, 1968.

UPDATE: USS Gridley was offshore Vietnam Nov-Dec 1968, so Kerry can only claim he was NEAR Vietnam by being on the Pacific side of the US.

Mr. Kerry:
Execute FORM 180 to release all of your military records from the archives

Release your journal
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Herb

[Polaris]

Herb,

That's exactly why this ad is so effective. Kerry still hasn't admitted defeat on the Cambodia issue but the MSM have sided with the SVBT on this one at least. That makes the ad devestating to those who might not have been paying close attention.
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Truth is Beauty

[cipher]

I concur. And isn't Kerry's "historian" writing/rewriting the Cambodia incident for some swank magazine? New Yorker or some such? If that goes to press AFTER this ad, there is going to be some SERIOUS egg-on-the-face crediblity issues (as if there aren't a bunch NOW) with both the historian AND Kerry's multiple accounts of his Adventures in Cambodia.

I wonder where he's got that CIA boonie hat stashed now? Or the dogtag with the tape still on it from when he went on "Secret Missions"?
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[spudhorse]

My guess on this latest ad is that the entire Cambodian incident presents a rather unexpected opportunity.

As Sun Tsu said "To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself."

It looks like this ad effectively uses the SBVT juggernaut to fatally wound a portion of the Kerry campaign for a rather modest investment.

There's also an old adage that speakers use all the time -- "Tell them what you're going to tell them, tell them, and then tell them what you told them." The first ad was "tell them what you're going to tell them" and the next two are "tell them." The real key is going to be the last ad that summarizes with "we're now going to tell you again what we told you."

Sun Tsu also said "All men can see the tactics whereby I conquer, but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved."

[JK]

I found the ad to be compelling and believable. Another lie of Kerry's is now known to the public. The public will expect more lies to be believed, how can anyone find Kerry credible after reading Unfit for Command. Kerry's media friends, attack dogs, investigators have been unable to convince the public that the swift boat veterans for truth are liars. However Kerry like Clinton will use whatever means necessary to discredit his detractors. That includes looking into ones personal life, intimidation, having one fired from employment, reviewing divorce settlements, reviewing financial records including credit card use, and more. As for money we know Kerry has unlimited money from his wife to buy ads, investigators, and even like John Corzine buy the votes needed to win election. But the power of the press, internet, grass root veterans, and the miscalculation that he could easily bury the swift boat veterans for truth with his powerful DNC and budget proved otherwise at least for now.

JK

[Herb]