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This is what everyone is slamming me for.
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OOPS!!! Collateral damage, that never happens in war |
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Mistakes do happen, but to have no sympathy for the people killed in those mistakes shows an absolute lack of humanity.
I have sympathy for both the troops who made this mistake and the poor people who were killed, not to mention their families. |
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As for the mercy part that remains unchanged, you see just as was in Nam the enemy dressed in many forms even as civillians. The same is true in Iraq. Those who might wait to see if that was a wedding could very well be added to the list of dead. You see these people don't conform to the liberal logic, lets just have a big hug. Now what kind of a wedding has the weapons that they found in a country that weapons are banned. |
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First off, more info is coming out showing it was a wedding. But to the bigger picture, as usual you miss my point. As I said here and in many other posts mistakes are always made and most often unavoidable. The people who make these mistakes usually have no other option. When the kids on the bridge during the actual war had to open fire on a vanload of pregnant women, I felt awefull for them. There was no other choice than to open fire when the van kept coming. Most of the time there is no way to know if they are going to attack. Thre fore I expect them to fire because I want them to come home as healthy as possible.
That does not mean I feel no sympathy for the women. I feel horrible for the civilian casualties. And people like you make me sick. If you have so little humanity left that you cannot even feel sympathy for the innocent people that have died, you are a lost cause. The two feelings are not mutually exclusive. |
| Quote: | Marine4life
Us military Vets were taught that it is the enemy or us that is essential for survival, and I for sure don't want my son to have second thoughts over there. That weak line of thought will send my son home in a bodybag. As far as remorse, Vets don't have any reason for remorse, we do what we do to ensure that you have the right to complain about us. At one point I did have some respect for you but you have destroyed that thought. May I suggest a more peacefull place if you don't have the stomach for active war, CANADA. By the way I do have room for sympathy, it starts with the families of the USS Cole, Somalia, 9-11, and for the soldiers that perished in Iraq, not for the enemy. |
So here I am agreeing that mistakes happen and the soldiers MUST make the choice that keeps them safe. I say that I want them to open fire if there is a chance they may be killed. The dispute arises over whether feeling bad that INNOCENT PEOPLE are killed when no other choice is available is ok. M4L says she loses respect for me because I feel compassion for the innocent people and their families. And her ex sends a partial part of the whole conversation to their son to make me look bad.
So to all the screaming people here. Who is right. Should we feel compassion for the innocent lives lost without blaming the troops because they have no other options? Or should we say screw the innocents because they shouldn't have been in their country anyway? |
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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It appears that my assumption that Marine4Life is a woman is mistaken. For that I appoligise to his EX wife and his son for putting down his mother. I'm sure neither of them will see this or the entire thread because that won't fit in M4L's agenda.
My larger question still stands.
| Quote: | So here I am agreeing that mistakes happen and the soldiers MUST make the choice that keeps them safe. I say that I want them to open fire if there is a chance they may be killed. The dispute arises over whether feeling bad that INNOCENT PEOPLE are killed when no other choice is available is ok. M4L says she loses respect for me because I feel compassion for the innocent people and their families. And her ex sends a partial part of the whole conversation to their son to make me look bad.
So to all the screaming people here. Who is right. Should we feel compassion for the innocent lives lost without blaming the troops because they have no other options? Or should we say screw the innocents because they shouldn't have been in their country anyway? |
Substitute him for he whre necessary. |
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Marine4life
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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Mikey you jumped into a whole new realm, the question at hand isn't the so called innocent people anymore. It is your issue of you degrading women. My ex-wife and son would like me to pass on a message to you "GO CRAWL BACK INTO THE WHOLE YOU CAME OUT OF". You didn't denegrade just my wife, you denegraded every woman in this country by your ignorant comments. And if you really want to know who I consider innocent, well that's the enemy that is left when we are all done that lay down their arms and quit fighting. As far as your contention that people who are still armed and killing our soldiers are innocent, well that is your opinion and it holds no merrit with us that have been there and actually faced the enemy. You haven't so go away and don't let your liberal, woman disrespecting, sorry a** get slammed in the door.
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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With your demonstrated ability to denegrade, disrespect women I don't think you will ever make your case that you have compassion for any so called innocent people. Kind of showed your true colors by accident didn't you. So with that in mind, everyone please quit picking on the intellectually challenged mikey, and just ignore any further posts by him. That is the only way he will go away. See mikey I do have compassion for the weak.
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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My question was always whether INNOCENT people desrve compassion when they are killed. People with guns are not innocent. I never disrespected women, I disrespected you when I thought you were a woman. I realise that your wingnut hate allows you to put any meaning you want to a chosen post, but that is your problem. I clearly stated my point regarding innocent people and you said you lost respect for me. Spin it any way you want, I couldn't care less. And since you are too much of an A**hole to tell your wife and son the reason for my post about her it shows you also lack any integrity.
BTW I'm still on my first and only marriage. Every woman my wife and I know know's they can call on me for whatever they need. They would laugh in your face if they saw the BS you're posting here. I'm sure your EX wife can relate, thats if you were ever honest about it.
| Quote: | OOPS!!! Collateral damage, that never happens in war. The USS Cole was no accident, nor the WTC. Sorry hard to find mercy in my heart. ...
As far as remorse, Vets don't have any reason for remorse, we do what we do to ensure that you have the right to complain about us. At one point I did have some respect for you but you have destroyed that thought. May I suggest a more peacefull place if you don't have the stomach for active war, CANADA.... |
But I really love this assinine comment. Every post about vets I've made on this board have been with respect. There are a lot more chickenhawks in the Government that are GOP than DEM.
| Quote: | | Well I guess mikey has the same opinion of us Vets as Kerry does!! I must ask you other Vets are you ashamed of my service in the Marine Corps. Are you ashamed of my 100% American attitude. Or are you ashamed of this drivelling liberal who didn't serve. My money is on the Vets |
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Marine4life wrote: | | With your demonstrated ability to denegrade, disrespect women I don't think you will ever make your case that you have compassion for any so called innocent people. Kind of showed your true colors by accident didn't you. So with that in mind, everyone please quit picking on the intellectually challenged mikey, and just ignore any further posts by him. That is the only way he will go away. See mikey I do have compassion for the weak. |
From an absolute idiot like you, this makes me laugh. Being to much of a wingnut to ever admit you were wrong about the innocents, you have to project your problems on me. It's too bad to, judging by your military record I probably would have had deep respect for you. |
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Marine4life
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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I don't care who you directed the B***CH or C**T comment to. The fact is that you said it, and that is how you address women say's volumes about your noncharacter. I don't need to say anymore about you, your flapper accidentally let us all know what kind of disrespectfull MORON you are. Do you really want people to beleive your cr*p about concern for the innocent people of Iraq when you show open denegration and disrespect for the most important thing a real man has in his life. Ya that's right a woman, I for one cherrish mine and will not let an ignorant moron like you disrespect her or her sisters or any other woman. I am done with your sorry twofaced a** so go away. Everyone just ignore this blathering idiot, and stop picking on him, he will go away with time. See mikey I do have compassion for the weak!!!
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Typical of a fat headed idiot. He knows he is wrong so he continues to deflect. I'd put my integrity and respect towards all people up against yours any day. |
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 12:13 am Post subject: |
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You already did, you lose, go away.
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 12:13 am Post subject: |
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| By the way, your mock outrage is laughable. Kind of like Tom DeLay complaining about some ongresscritters saying bad things about President Bush. You might want to save it for people that believe you're sincere. |
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 12:17 am Post subject: |
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| Marine4life wrote: | | I don't care who you directed the B***CH or C**T comment to. The fact is that you said it..... |
Give it a rest already...geeze.
Get back to the topic at hand!!! |
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 12:20 am Post subject: |
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| Marine4life wrote: | | You already did, you lose, go away. |
How do you lose to someone who is afraid to answer for the original comment? See I've already appoligized to your EX wife and son, but you are unwilling to address the original dispute. |
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 12:37 am Post subject: |
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[ I feel sorry for your son because his mother is quite heartless. I pray that he still has some humanity in him because this world is missing a great deal of it. Women like you remind me of a line from a movie. You're a Bi*** with a capital C.
Well said mikey, voiced your true opinion of women. Thanks for the help in declaring you an idiot. And your still here blathering which shows that you don't have any comon sense either. Why would you reference an INNOCENT child with this disrespect, or an INNOCENT woman. By the way he is a Marine Corporal serving abroad protecting your sorry a**. Yes I sent it all to him and quite frankly he would like to meet you when he gets home!! He would not accept your appology from the field, he says that he would like it in person. As for my Ex-wife, well she say's thanks for the insight to the democratic agenda, she changed her registration from democrat to republican today. That's one more against Kerry for us guy's. They sure are helping our cause.
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 12:43 am Post subject: |
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| Marine4life wrote: | [ I feel sorry for your son because his mother is quite heartless. I pray that he still has some humanity in him because this world is missing a great deal of it. Women like you remind me of a line from a movie. You're a Bi*** with a capital C.
Well said mikey, voiced your true opinion of women. Thanks for the help in declaring you an idiot. And your still here blathering which shows that you don't have any comon sense either. Why would you reference an INNOCENT child with this disrespect, or an INNOCENT woman. By the way he is a Marine Corporal serving abroad protecting your sorry a**. Yes I sent it all to him and quite frankly he would like to meet you when he gets home!! He would not accept your appology from the field, he says that he would like it in person. As for my Ex-wife, well she say's thanks for the insight to the democratic agenda, she changed her registration from democrat to republican today. That's one more against Kerry for us guy's. They sure are helping our cause. |
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| Quote: | | It appears that my assumption that Marine4Life is a woman is mistaken. For that I appoligise to his EX wife and his son for putting down his mother. I'm sure neither of them will see this or the entire thread because that won't fit in M4L's agenda. |
Funny, I can accept responsibility and appoligise when I make a mistake. In the fasion of a true ideologue, you obviously cannot. Innocent civilians killed by mistake do not deserve compassion. Love your morals, man. |
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Marine4life
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 12:50 am Post subject: |
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Ok, back to the subject. Wedding in which they had weapons. From a military aspect, enemy, weapons = no innocent bystanders end of story. Thats war. So I am portrayed as heartless, so be it, but it has worked for over 200 years to keep the Stars and Stripes flying high. And if you don't have the stomach for collateral damage then you just have to turn off the T.V. and bury your head. There has not ever been a war without it. By saying that we should show remorse or sorrow only weakens our military while they are still over there fighting. If you truely support our military then shut up, and let them do their job and quit trying to make them feel guilty for killing armed enemies.
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