SwiftVets.com Forum Index SwiftVets.com
Service to Country
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Lie Detector Ad #4
Goto page 1, 2  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    SwiftVets.com Forum Index -> Swift Vets and POWs for Truth
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Nomorelies
Vice Admiral


Joined: 11 Aug 2004
Posts: 977
Location: Texas

PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 4:22 pm    Post subject: Lie Detector Ad #4 Reply with quote

Let's group all of the Swiftees contributing to "Unfit to Command" around a lie-detector machine (stapped onto one of our guys) challenging John "Bring-it-on" Kerry to do the same. It would be powerful and pull a ton of airtime on the networks. Imagine the visual effect, the drama. The public will go wild!!!! A real "red-meat" dinner in my books.
_________________
Nomorelies Make a donation HERE
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
ccr
Commander


Joined: 10 Aug 2004
Posts: 325

PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And the response would be....

Lie detectors on anti-SBVT witnesses.

Put aside the fact that a polygraph is only slightly more accurate in discerning deception than flipping a coin, this is a search for the truth (which a polygraph does not provide). Chances are great that other than JK, none or very few of the witnesses are engaged in any deception.
_________________
Whose side is John Kerry really on? Take this quiz and decide for yourself.

http://www.learnthat.com/quiz/
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
JK
PO3


Joined: 06 Aug 2004
Posts: 259

PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 4:36 pm    Post subject: Lie Detector Ad #4 Reply with quote

Let's rally in the public to demand that John Kerry take a lie detector test!!! The burden should be on his shoulders not on the swift boat veterans for truth. Can anyone get the media to pick up on this message??? We always hear and read about people volunteering to take the test to show their innocence and this could be an expedient way for Kerry to close the issue. But let's be realistic a liar like Kerry would never ever take such a test UNLESS he was assured that he could rig the results in his favor. However, the demand for him taking the lie detector test should continue..

JK
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Robert Cooper
Lt.Jg.


Joined: 06 Aug 2004
Posts: 134
Location: Tulsa, OK

PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maury Povich would be proud of us!
_________________
Know the difference between Politics and Mesmeratics - one embraces, propagates and promotes the truth, while the other manipulates it!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
learjet
Seaman Recruit


Joined: 20 Aug 2004
Posts: 31
Location: Juneau, Alaska

PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This would never work because Senator could answer truthfully about being on both sides of every issue!!
_________________
Earl J Lear II
USN/ VA-94/ VFA-94 1988-1992
USS Enterprise/ USS Abraham Lincoln
Desert Storm Vet
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Nomorelies
Vice Admiral


Joined: 11 Aug 2004
Posts: 977
Location: Texas

PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

learjet wrote:
This would never work because Senator could answer truthfully about being on both sides of every issue!!


Oops. You are definitely right. It's easier for Kerry to lie than tell the truth.
_________________
Nomorelies Make a donation HERE
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
ccr
Commander


Joined: 10 Aug 2004
Posts: 325

PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few quotes from http://antipolygraph.org/



Quote:
"...the theory and methods of polygraphic lie detection are not rocket science, indeed, they are not science at all."

Professor Emeritus
David T. Lykken

"The so-called 'control' question 'test' polygraph is a technological flight of fancy. It is often used as a psychological rubber hose to induce confessions. Founded on lies, it spreads distrust while posing as the path to truth."

Professor John J. Furedy

"[Polygraph screening] is completely without any theoretical foundation and has absolutely no validity...the diagnostic value of this type of testing is no more than that of astrology or tea-leaf reading."

former Supervisory
Special Agent
Dr. Drew C. Richardson,
FBI Laboratory Division

"Polygraph testing has been the gold standard, but it's obviously fool's gold."

Prof. Stephen E. Fienberg
Chairman, Committee to Review the Scientific Evidence on the Polygraph,
National Academy of Sciences

"If we had medical tests that had the same failure rate as a polygraph, then physicians that use those tests would be convicted of malpractice."

Dr. Alan P. Zelicoff, M.D.

"Polygraph is more art than science, and unless an admission is obtained, the final determination is frequently what we refer to as a scientific wild-ass guess (SWAG)"

retired
CIA polygrapher
John F. Sullivan

"If you choose to implement this astrology surrogate, and to treat us with such deep disrespect, do not confuse our contempt for arrogance."

physicist
David Dearborn
Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory

"People in the security community are so wedded to polygraph testing that they are just going to ignore the scientific facts about this."

scientist
Jeffrey D. Colvin
Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory

"Whether it is screening applicants or screening employees, the polygraph is a failure. I suspect that its days as a screening tool are deservedly near an end."

former FBI Special Agent
Mark Mallah

"The US is, so far as I know, the only nation which places such extensive reliance on the polygraph....It has gotten us into a lot of trouble."

convicted spy
Aldrich H. Ames

"[The CIA's] reliance on the polygraph is truly insane"

former CIA Director
John M. Deutch



_________________
Whose side is John Kerry really on? Take this quiz and decide for yourself.

http://www.learnthat.com/quiz/
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
buffman
LCDR


Joined: 21 Aug 2004
Posts: 437

PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 6:39 pm    Post subject: doesn't matter Reply with quote

It doesn't matter if it is not an exact method, if the Swifties were to ace this test the public would definately be swayed.
_________________
Never Ever Give Up
America First
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
producehawk
PO1


Joined: 14 Aug 2004
Posts: 463

PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The sad athing is kerry might think he is telling the truth, therefore he might pass a lie detector/ his mind id f--ed up
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
bob g
Seaman Recruit


Joined: 24 Aug 2004
Posts: 6
Location: California

PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is perfect ! Instead of Debates this year , Kerry and Swiftees hooked up to lie detectors

(Let's keep the rhetoric below the flash point, please? Wink EJ)
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Jazzoi
Seaman Recruit


Joined: 24 Aug 2004
Posts: 23

PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lie detector tests only work on people who actually have a conscience. Traitors don't usually have one of those.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
rainvet
Seaman Recruit


Joined: 21 Aug 2004
Posts: 30

PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I would show and tell how he want to be equal parter of the UN and the EU because he is one of them. Just like the Vietnam War ;I was against it in college,the he was going to be drafted so he join so he could choice what service he wanted to be in ,so then he was for the War, then he said that he asked to go to Vietnam and after 4 months I heard that he was ask to leave Vietnam baes on his Action og not being a good Soldier.But again he then was agaist the war and noe 30 yrs Plus he is for the war. Which one is he. I know and that why John Kerry and his band of Dem. Left winger should never lead our Country,the USA. Kerry has said many times that the USA so not go at its alone,now what does that tell you about his belief and the Left wing Dem. party. GOD BLess America.
GOD bless the Swiftboat Vets for telling the Truth. One Nation Under GOD.
US Army Vietnam WAR Vet. 68/69. I was there too. GOD Heal our land.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
mrhct
Former Member


Joined: 24 Aug 2004
Posts: 9

PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 4:05 pm    Post subject: Re: doesn't matter Reply with quote

buffman wrote:
It doesn't matter if it is not an exact method, if the Swifties were to ace this test the public would definately be swayed.


And if they didn't ace it could that set them up for a suit? I do find it a bit troubling that O'neill, Thurlow and Odell haven't already done so.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Nomorelies
Vice Admiral


Joined: 11 Aug 2004
Posts: 977
Location: Texas

PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 4:30 pm    Post subject: Re: doesn't matter Reply with quote

mrhct wrote:
buffman wrote:
It doesn't matter if it is not an exact method, if the Swifties were to ace this test the public would definately be swayed.


And if they didn't ace it could that set them up for a suit? I do find it a bit troubling that O'neill, Thurlow and Odell haven't already done so.


Be not troubled. Swiftvets are infinitely more believable than Kerry. Body language is very revealing. When you look into O'Neill's eyes as he speaks there is harmony. Look into Kerry's eyes when he speaks and tell me you don't get an adverse "gut level reaction" to his words. I.e. We all have instincts and any decent person senses and feels a liar.
_________________
Nomorelies Make a donation HERE
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
ccr
Commander


Joined: 10 Aug 2004
Posts: 325

PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The biggest shocker is not that SBVT have not done a polygraph. The biggest shocker is that the Kerry team has not.

Why?

You can get the box to say whatever you want it to say -- especially when you are paying the examiner. Even if you aren't, you can train someone to beat the box in just a few hours.

The box also frequently calls people who are telling the absolute truth "deceptive" -- when they are not.

The value of a polygraph is nothing but theater. We've got the facts on our side. Why should we have to stoop to that -- especially when the other side can counter with even better theater.
_________________
Whose side is John Kerry really on? Take this quiz and decide for yourself.

http://www.learnthat.com/quiz/
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    SwiftVets.com Forum Index -> Swift Vets and POWs for Truth All times are GMT
Goto page 1, 2  Next
Page 1 of 2

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group