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DougReese
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Posted: Fri May 28, 2004 9:55 pm Post subject: Re: Lt Wright is the problem

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CJ wrote:

That would all work except that Lt. Wright was the OinC of PCF-44 from Nov 68 to Apr 69.

This needs furthur documentation. Assuming Kerry's claims have a veneer of truth, it would appear that Kerry had SOME PCF44 command during the period he claims.

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The best guess I have is that Kerry was given the boat while Wright was off a few times.

This much I can say -- They definitely changed/interchanged boats from time-to-time. Some of you might have noticed me mention Joe Muharsky, and saying he was the M-60 gunner on PCF-94. He served at the same time as Kerry, but wasn't the gunner on PCF-94 when Kerry was on it, as he served under another officer.

I don't know if that was just a few times, or on a more frequent basis.

Anyway, Kerry was definitely on the 44 boat at some point, as a number of those "Band of Brothers" that go around with him on occasion were with him on the 44 boat. Same-same for Steven Gardner. I assume you know who he is.

Doug

Me#1You#10
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Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 12:49 am Post subject: Re: Lt Wright is the problem

DougReese wrote:

Anyway, Kerry was definitely on the 44 boat at some point, as a number of those "Band of Brothers" that go around with him on occasion were with him on the 44 boat. Same-same for Steven Gardner. I assume you know who he is.

I don't doubt that he was, nor, I believe, does CJ.

But our contention is that, albeit technically correct, Kerry's statement on his website...

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December 1968 through January 1969 – Kerry commands PCF-44

Kerry Baloney

is a patently gross overstatement of reality, in fact, a blatant distortion of the truth. It invites the casual reader to assume, falsely, that Kerry was in command of PCF44 for a period of 2 months when, in fact, he was only in a position for 6 days in December and perhaps half of January during which he could even have HAD the opportunity to be its OIC.

How 'bout you Doug? Do YOU think Kerry has presented an honest depiction of his service in that regard?

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Craig
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Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 1:07 am Post subject:

Marine4life wrote:

Hesiod, or is it Hemroid, or mikest, or craig, or sparky? which one are you? No profile, no military service, no existance. Where do you live movon.org?

LOL - gots to love such b****ing out of the 'Old School' (crossing) gaurd Laughing

DougReese
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Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 2:17 am Post subject: Re: Lt Wright is the problem

Me#1You#10 wrote:

DougReese wrote:

I don't doubt that he was, nor, I believe, does CJ.

But our contention is that, albeit technically correct, Kerry's statement on his website...

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December 1968 through January 1969 – Kerry commands PCF-44

Kerry Baloney

Well, I'd have to say -- who cares? I mean, how important is it as to when he commanded which boat? Do you really think everyone remembers who they were with, and exactly when, 35 years ago.

For example, I recently asked Keith Nolan (his most recent book was about my old unit with the 9th Div, the 6/31st, among other units) to help me in figuring out what unit I was with for about two months after I left the 6/31st. I couldn't for the life of me remember what unit it was. I remembered some other details about the unit, and that enabled Keith to tell me who it was.

I did a total of 17 months with two Inf units, and as an advisor in two villages, and I couldn't remember one of the units. I can only imagine what it was like to make 3-4 moves and command several boats. Even the Navy has a lot of that mixed up as to who commanded which boat and when -- and you fault Kerry because he doesn't remember? That's a bit much, don't you think?

Doug

Me#1You#10
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Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 2:23 am Post subject: Rapid Deployment

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Kerry, in Vietnam, remembers days as 'cannon fodder'
By Ian Stewart, Associated Press
Jan 19, 1998

VUNG TAU, Vietnam --

<snip>

About 15 minutes into a drive to the eastern outskirts of Vung Tau, Kerry sat erect, his eyes widened as the car rolled past the site of his old Navy base. "From here we'd drive into town and you'd go quick because you never knew who was hiding on the side of the road," he said.

Standard Times

Ahhhh yes, Vung Tau. Mekong's A Shau Valley.

More than likely, a rapid deployment to capture and secure a favored bar stool.

Kerry Website wrote:

December 1968 through January 1969 – Kerry commands PCF-44

Me#1You#10 wrote:

How 'bout you Doug? Do YOU think Kerry has presented an honest depiction of his service in that regard?

DougReese wrote:

Well, I'd have to say -- who cares? I mean, how important is it as to when he commanded which boat? Do you really think everyone remembers who they were with, and exactly when, 35 years ago.

Asked...Answered...Anticipated...Confirmed Rolling Eyes

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Richard
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Joined: 18 May 2004
Posts: 53
Location: Gainesville, FL

Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 3:18 am Post subject: Re: Lt Wright is the problem

DougReese wrote:

Well, I'd have to say -- who cares? I mean, how important is it as to when he commanded which boat? Do you really think everyone remembers who they were with, and exactly when, 35 years ago.

I did a total of 17 months with two Inf units, and as an advisor in two villages, and I couldn't remember one of the units. I can only imagine what it was like to make 3-4 moves and command several boats. Even the Navy has a lot of that mixed up as to who commanded which boat and when -- and you fault Kerry because he doesn't remember? That's a bit much, don't you think?

Doug

Doug,

Let me answer your question. This is about being honest and having the integrity to do the right thing. When Kerry went before the Senate and said that atrocities were common and known up and down the chain of command, he showed extremely bad judgement. First, he was in no position to know that, one way or another. He was quoting from testimony gathered at the Winter Soldier Investigation. It was not verified. Later is was debunked.

This is not about if Kerry is a hero or not. I personally don't feel he did anything special. But that's just my opinion. This is about what he did after he came home. It is about stabbing thousands of servicemen and women in the back for political gain.

We don't make a big deal out of his service, John Kerry does. He has been telling everyone, for over a year, about his service in Vietnam. Let him be truthfull about it.

In one aspect, you are correct. After 35 years it can be hard to recreate what happened. But that didn't stop the liberals from demanding President Bush prove his whereabouts in the National Guard all those years ago.

Let Kerry stand up and either apologize for his actions or stand by them. We'll make the appropriate decisions and vote accordingly.

Richard
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CJ
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Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 3:53 am Post subject:

I believe there is more to it than the post-VN era. Just like after Vietnam Kerry was lying about what when on there, he is doing the same now. He is not honest about what he did or how his performance was. And he refuses to release all of his records, as he demanded Bush do. Of course, if I had a record like his, I would try and hide it too.

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