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Hueygunner
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 5:06 am    Post subject: The New Soldier -- Yawn... Reply with quote

Because of my experiences in Vietnam as a doorgunner/crewchief, I expected to read about some really gory atrocities after reading John Kerry's testimony. Instead of learning something new, I found myself having to force myself to continue reading. It was the old stories about throwing POWs out of helicopters, burning villages, shooting water buffalos, pulling dirty pranks on Vietnamese peasants to relieve the boredom. If there were so many atrocities being committed on a daily basis then why did the soldiers and Marines take out their boredom on the poor hapless Vietnamese livestock?

There are more atrocities happening in America every month than in all of Kerry's book. We've probably lost more lives here because of automobile accidents, earthquakes, floods, and tornados than we've lost in wars. Really, except for a few horrendous massacres, Vietnam was a boring place. This explains the drug use and prostitution that went on over there. Millions of frustrated GIs with no access to American cars or women had to be a prescription for disaster.
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integritycounts
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

some very tacky tacky commentary.....sad commentary really.

I see no reason to go the low road. Kerry's statements and actions were terrible because they mis-characterized Millions of Veterans.

There were a very small amount of terrible acts that did happen, these were the rare exceptions, these were done by men of shame that do on reflect the whole.

Your statements acting as if other bad acts justify other acts, is not how most Veterans served in Vietnam....

Nearly all Veterans held themselves to conduct that was in line with our morals and values.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to mention the fact that some of these people were proven frauds.

Never in Vietnam, never in the units they cited, never in the military in one instance and never in Detroit in another - some fraud tooka a soldier's name to make his "testimony."

I expect to hear a lot more about this in the coming weeks. Wink
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Hueygunner
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 1:49 pm    Post subject: Sorry I offended your taste with the truth... Reply with quote

integritycounts wrote:
some very tacky tacky commentary.....sad commentary really.

I see no reason to go the low road.

Your statements acting as if other bad acts justify other acts, is not how most Veterans served in Vietnam....


John Kerry cried that all kinds of war crimes were being carried out by American military personnel. I read his book, which is mostly composed of antedotes about serving in Vietnam, and there's nothing new in it. Absolutely nothing that hasn't been reported in the news media. There's more atrocious things happening right here on the streets of our major cities - heck, even in our small towns. Get real. Crime is crime. If it's happening right here under our noses then why hold the armed forces, who are fighting in a war-torn country, to a higher standard.

The closest I came to seeing an atrocity was a F.N.G. who took our 50-cal machinegun off safty, chambered a round, placed his finger on the trigger, and kept pointing it at Vietnamese civilians. "I want to shoot a Gook," he'd say as he swung the barrel from one cluster of civilians to another. I thought, if that gun goes off accidentally, we're all going to Leavenworth for the rest of our lives. Finally, I got fed up with his ranting. I reached over and put the machinegun on safe and verbally unloaded on the guy. I told him to put in for a transfer, go out there in the boonies and shoot all the Gooks he wanted to. But, on the other hand, Charley might waste his @ss. I might have been too heavy-handed in my approach to correcting a man under my command because I was angry but he never did it again.
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ALMOUNT
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Partial Birth Abortion....now there is a real atrocity... Evil or Very Mad

And ole Hanoi John is all for it... Shocked
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Robert Cooper
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Definetely a piece of propaganda designed to recruit volunteers and to affect public opinion.

Senator J.W. Fulbright said:

"I have joined with some of my colleagues, specifically Senator Hart, in an effort to try to change the attitude of our Government toward your efforts in bringing to this committee and to the country your views about the war."
[Senator J.W. Fulbright, Chairman of Committee on Foreign Affairs, 1971]

Senator Pell said:

"As the witness knows, I have a very high personal regard for him and hope before his life ends he will be a colleague of ours in this body." [Senator Pell, Member of Committee on Foreign Affairs, 1971]

I am convinced that the Committee on Foreign Affairs collaberated with John Kerry before the hearing, carefully rehearsed it and delivered it on 1971.

READ: http://www2.swiftvets.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=6129

In John O'Neil's "Unfit for Command" - Mr. O'Neil is denied a fair and equitable hearing to address the allegations of John Kerry - that's because it didn't meet their pre-existing agenda.
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