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Indianbaboon · Lieutenant Joined: 04 Jul 2004 Posts: 234

3 minutes in the boxing ring with me Evil or Very Mad

and that wouldn't be enough. What about the POWs who died still hoping to be rescued, scratching their names and authentication codes into hillsides, as late as 1992? HOw many families are now only drawing KIA benefits instead of MIA benefits thanks to him? I think an apoloogy by him would only incite the ire of every vietnam vet who's stayed neutral in this whole thing because of the pain of it all.

GiveMeFreedom · PO3 Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 279 Location: Wisconsin

I just heard on Sean Hannity's show -- he read a letter from the SBVT to John Kerry. Basically, the SBVT has asked Kerry to admit - in front of the American Legion tomorrow - to all the false claims in his records, and apologize to the Vietnam Vets for what he has done to them and accused them of. If he does all this (I can't remember the exact details and can't find the letter here on the site), then SBVT will stop the ads against Kerry. If he doesn't, then they will continue. Did anyone else hear this?

Does anyone have a link to the letter?
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RobD · Lt.Jg. Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 147 Location: Reno Nv

Heard it but have no more info then you provided.
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Nomorelies · Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 8:23 pm Post subject:

How can a person apologize for something this awful? I really don't know.
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Dane · Lt.Jg. Joined: 30 Jul 2004 Posts: 114 Location: Chile

1. Admit that he falsified at least some awards

2. Admit that his behavior in paris while still an officer constitutes a "dishonorable action".

3. Reject all awards IAW SecNavInst 1650.1G as being unmereited given his subsequent dishonorable conduct.

4. Request an Article 32 investigation into his actions and the statements made to the various Senate commissions, waiving any statutes of limitations.

5. Sign the SF-180, requesting that his entire service record and medical record be published on some USN web site directly.

6. Beg for forgiveness.

7. Continue as the Dem candidate

8. Retire from public service after the elections.

Dane

BrianC · PO2 Joined: 02 Jun 2004 Posts: 364

jbutorac · Seaman Recruit Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 1

First, God bless the Swiftees and all vets everywhere for keeping our country safe and free.

But now to the post -
I just heard on Crossfire, that the Swiftees have written to Kerry and said if he apologizes, they'll take down their ads. Say it ain't so, Swiftees!

Please realize that he will make a political calculation. If he thinks the ads don't hurt him, he won't apologize. If he thinks the ads do hurt, he will. What ever he might say, it won't be sincere. The man can't be trusted.

If you want the apology, I understand, but bring him to his knees. Make him admit to the lies behind his medals. Make him admit why he did it. Make him admit to the lies he brought back home. Then let him say he's sorry - but only after he admits to the truth. I almost want you to make him pay reparations - Teresa can afford it.

My point is that the only way to ensure sincerity is to break him down publically. We are a forgiving nation. But to receive forgiveness you must honestly ask for forgiveness and admit that you have caused harm. Then, after we have forgiven him, let the American people judge if this is the type of man we want to be our president.

Let's see if he really wants to be forgiven.

coldwarvet · Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 9:34 pm Post subject:

See discussion from early June. http://www2.swiftvets.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=542&highlight=apology

The trolls were their and they didn't take the Swift Boat For Truth Threat serious. I also asked the question over at the Kerry Debunker site "what is the plan when the Bush campaign brings the 4/22/71 Kerry statements to public attention? My post was quickly pulled and I was expelled. It makes one think of what he would do as CIC when global threats are brought to his attention?

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coldwarvet · Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 9:45 pm Post subject:

On 6/4/2004

Lee Waters Wrote

"John "F"in Kerry owes each and every single person that went to Vietnam and did their duty honorably a huge apology. It is up to us whether or not to accept that apology, if he ever gave one. Liberal elitist seem to feel they never need really apologize, though.

How he would manage an apology to the 58,000 names on the Wall he dishonored, I don't know."

CWV 8-31-04

I can only speek for me & I choose not to forgive. I wish we could run a poll and determine who would forgive Kerry or not forgive him.
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BrianC · PO2 Joined: 02 Jun 2004 Posts: 364

The SBVFT letter to Kerry is on the home page...

www.swiftvets.com

Nice work, gentlemen.

The silence from Kamp Kerry will be deafening.

Wink

AF366TFW · Ensign Joined: 18 Aug 2004 Posts: 69 Location: Florida

I can only speak for myself. I will never accept ANY apology from Kerry. There is no way he can take back the dishonor he placed on those that have died SINCE we left 'nam.

Those that died can never have his stain removed from them. The destroyed lives, and the suspicion many of us carried the past 30+ years can never be atoned for by Kerry.

I for one will only be satisfied when he is stipped of any and all military honors in a courts-martial or board of inquiry. Likewise, an investigation into his sedition while a member of the VVAW should be completely aired.

We can not forget Kerry's "meetings" with the reps of the PRG and PRV while still an officer in the U.S. Navy. That is an act of treason (IMHO) that MUST be investigated.
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Rurik · Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 12:39 am Post subject:

At this point, ANY apology would be a chieu hoi with a smoking barrel and empty clip. Twisted Evil

Plead guilty, eat the sentence, and then suffer the indignity of GWB commuting his sentence to life w/o parole.
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jwb7605 · Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 12:40 am Post subject:

Just getting Kerry to respond to one point, verbally, would open the proverbial floodgates.

Brilliant

Polaris · Rear Admiral Joined: 16 Aug 2004 Posts: 626

Kerry has been painted into a corner. He can not fulfill the terms of that letter without admitting he was wrong....and totally destroying what is left of his credibility. It would be political suicide.

OTOH, by ignoring the letter, he is admitting that the charges in it are accurate and he looks cowardly. This is lose-lose for Kerry. Worse, by putting the terms on the table, the SBVT has seriously undercut any notion that they are a GOP 'front' campaign except to the pure die-hards....or they will once this offer becomes more generally known.

Personally, I am on pins and needles waiting for Kerry's speech tomorrow before the American Legion. That ought to be ..... interesting..... yes interesting....
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