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Nomorelies
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Tom Poole,
I agree. We need to hunt them down whereever they are and eliminate then.
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baldeagl
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| Navy_Navy_Navy wrote: | | Yeah, I cancelled my Time and Newsweek subscriptions a long time ago and let them know that it was their consistently leftist bias that caused me to do so. (And I am quite liberal on many social issues - I'm actually only conservative on financial and Constitutional issues.) |
I suspect there's a lot more like you out there. In fact, I've been wondering why we don't have a political party that represents those views.
Anybody want to start the veterans party?
Platform:
1) Balanced budget
2) Small, efficient government
3) Strong military
4) Equal rights for all - no discrimination of any kind
5) Government stays out of personal matters
6) Flat tax - no special treatment for anyone
7) Term limits - no lifetime politicians
Who's with me?
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jirwin72
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Joined: 19 Aug 2004
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That sounds like the Libertarian party.  but I am all for that getting tired of these life long politicians that think they can lie, smear and otherwise call veterans criminals. |
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FF1047
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Joined: 11 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 2:04 am Post subject: Starship Troopers ? |
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Starship Troopers by Robert Heinlein
An interesting read ... only veterans can vote ...
Seriously though there are special interest groups for everything else why not veterans ... and not just to focus on veterans benefits but all issues. After all, once you are a veteran you are living back in the world with everyone else and have the same needs, concerns and requirements from your government.
Now that would be a powerful Band of Brothers (and Sisters)
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theflickster
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Location: Colorado
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 2:18 am Post subject: |
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| low26 wrote: | | The Democrats are imploding and the liberal/socialist MSM are going with them. People see their bias and agenda. They are being whinny babies, they don't have there monopoly anymore and they cant stand it. They cant stand the SBVT they hate how they have destroyed their boy shattered there little socialist utopia dreams. And that they are all being shown for what they are. They want Bush to condemn the ad to save Kerry and Bush will not.WA WA WA ITS NOT FAIR WE DESERVE THE WHITE HOUSE. Arnold was right little liberal "girlie men"but the good thing is people are seeing what wackos they are! |
To quote Rush Limbagh in his introduction to Ann Coulter's book Slander
"Take it from me: you know you've hit your target when liberals start squawking".
Keep on aiming for that bulls eye Swifties  |
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brityank
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 2:34 am Post subject: Re: What the Swifties Cost Us |
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| Nomorelies wrote: |
Klein wrote, [referring to the gripes about Kerry's testimony about atrocities in 1971] "....These are are heartfelt gripes, perhaps, but wrong on the merits. Kerry's protest was not only honorable but accurate. The war in Vietnam was an unnecessary disaster.....:"
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A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banners openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their garments, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared. -- Marcus Tullius Cicero
The Enemy is indeed within the gates, and Kerry is its standard-bearer.
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Raven
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 2:39 am Post subject: Re: What the Swifties Cost Us |
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| brityank wrote: | | Nomorelies wrote: |
Klein wrote, [referring to the gripes about Kerry's testimony about atrocities in 1971] "....These are are heartfelt gripes, perhaps, but wrong on the merits. Kerry's protest was not only honorable but accurate. The war in Vietnam was an unnecessary disaster.....:"
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A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banners openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their garments, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared. -- Marcus Tullius Cicero
The Enemy is indeed within the gates, and Kerry is its standard-bearer. |
Some very powerful and prescient words from Cicero. And what is past is prologue.
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Bob Chamberlain
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 3:04 am Post subject: Starship Troopers |
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| Starship Troopers has always been a favorite of mine. Heinlein has a lot of very interesting social commentary in this book. Only verterans can vote and only after they have completed their term of service. Not a bad idea if you think about it. At least you know that the voting citizens have already invested in their country. |
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markasass
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| Quote: | | A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banners openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their garments, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared. -- Marcus Tullius Cicero |
This is the "Enemy Within" that pundits, like Michael Savage et al, speak about. These are the folks that do not possess the self-reliance, self-discipline, personal responsibility, deceny, or integrity of men like the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.
I've always had a "live-and-let-live" outlook, as I believe we all have our own certain strengths and weaknesses, but I believe we need to be cautious about being TOO liberal in our approach to social issues. This is what Cicero was referring to when he speaks of "... appeal[ing] to the baseness which lies deep in the hearts of all men", "... rot[ting] the soul ...", "... undermin[ing] the pillars of a city ...", and "... infect[ing] the body politic ..."
As an example, many insidious and deleterious behaviors have been eating away at the United States, for the past 40 years, in the name of being socially liberal. I don't wish to get into a firefight with anyone on this, as this isn't the forum, but I don't believe teenagers having multiple children, with multiple fathers, out-of-wedlock, facilitating lifelong, multi-generational welfare dependence and perpetual victimhood, and giving tacit approval, acceptance, or making legal homosexuality, pedophilia, bestiality, incest, adultery, abortion, pornography, prostitution, promiscuous fornication, obscene, scatological, and prurient language and humor, draft-dodging, flag-burning, vandalizing, and committing perjury, obstruction of justice, and treason, contributes to the long-term well-being of our country.
To me, secular humanism and hedonism only contributes to the undermining of the pillars and foundation our Founding Fathers built our Nation upon, utilizing rock-solid Judeo-Christian principles and philosophy, by appealing to the baseness which lies in everyone's heart, infecting and weakening the body politic, and rotting the soul of the Nation. True freedom is only possible when chaos, degradation, and degeneracy are held at bay, just like a Big Brother and socialistic government must be. I respect everyone's right to privacy, but that is much different than promulgating, by not ostracizing and trying to change, attitudes and behaviors that serve to rot, debase, infect, and weaken.
I believe many of the SBVTs and our Founding Fathers would tend to agree, although I speak ONLY for myself, and like I said before, I don't wish to offend anyone, so I am going to shut my big yap and not comment on this issue again.
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Nomorelies
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Markassas
Don't apologize. I agree with you.
He rots the soul of a nation.... John Kerry.
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BuffaloJack
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I recognized Time, Newsweek and my hometown paper for what they are more than ten years ago. They are liberal rags and not worth reading. I have depended upon the internet for my news ever since and pocket the money that they used to get from me.
Swiftboat Veterans are about the freedom to express our dissatisfaction with someone whom we consider unfit to lead our country. |
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Tom Poole
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 3:55 am Post subject: ...Cost... |
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| brityank wrote: | | A nation can survive its fools... |
Pretty heady stuff, this topic has. However, recall that Cicero was exiled in 58 BC and murdered in 46 BC. The first triumvirate had already infected the empire by that time. Perhaps this heady group will teach the nation to purge the infection and defend the borders before Flipper John wins the election.
BTW, great post!
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