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Hammer2
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 Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 2:27 pm Post subject: John Kerry's Blood Libel |
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A great article today from a Jewish Rabbi
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40278
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| This article, in my opinion, is a "MUST READ" for all of us! Thank you for bringing it to our attention. My 14-yr-old nephew was spouting all the Democratic talking points to me which made my blood boil! Later, when I had calmed down, I went to him and tried to explain just why I was so bitter about Kerry since his uncle, my husband, had served in Operation Market Time and also did a Westpac tour. I told him what it was like to live through those terrible days. My husband's reputation was smeared because he was in the Navy and was tied to the atrocities with "guilt by association" as were all the other vets. When I finished, he was looking at me with a little different light, I hope! Now, I'm going to send this article to my sister who is a big Kerry supporter and hope that she will let her son read it. |
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RobD
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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I agree 100% this is a great article. I have been reading Rabbi Boteach's columns since he joined WorldNetDaily and have found them to be very insightful.
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kman
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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Wonderful article. I've always admired Jewish writers' clarity of thought. Now if we and just get them to vote Republican for once... LOL!
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mjanay
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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Don't listen to the MSM or conventional wisdom about the jewish vote.
I am a Jewish Republican, so is my whole family, and MANY of my relatives (US citizens that moved to Israel) who are avowed socialists (really) and have NEVER voted for a Republican in their lives are VOTING FOR BUSH!!!
Bush has been the strongest supporter of Israel ever, and American Jews realize it. Bush was greeted at AIPAC (American Israel PAC) with chants of "4 MORE YEARS!!" That has never happened to a republican before!
I realized that Kerry was dead when I was talking to my aunt, who was born in Israel and now lives in NJ and is a US citizen. She is also a socialist (and is proud of it). She was VEHEMENTLY anti-Bush in 2000. She is voting for Bush this year! She says that she just can't trust Kerry to defeat terrorists and support Israel. I almost fainted when she said it.
If Kerry can't even appeal to his base (a democratic socialist woman in NJ) he doesn't have a chance. |
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kman
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| mjanay wrote: | Don't listen to the MSM or conventional wisdom about the jewish vote.
I am a Jewish Republican, so is my whole family, and MANY of my relatives (US citizens that moved to Israel) who are avowed socialists (really) and have NEVER voted for a Republican in their lives are VOTING FOR BUSH!!! |
I didn't want this to turn into a religious debate, but here is some weird trivia for ya. It is nearly universal that people get more conservative as they grow older--thus the old saw "if you're not liberal when you're young, you don't have a heart; if you're not conservative when you grow up, you don't have a brain". This goes for all colors and races of people. The only exception is Jewish folks. I have lots of (mostly wealthy) Jewish friends in West Los Angeles and they are, to a man, Democrats. Many are socialists--whatever that means nowadays. The ones I've talked to are still voting for Kerry.
The left wing of the Democratic party is no friend of Israel as far as I can tell. Go figure.
Kurt
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mjanay
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, not a religious debate...
I don't get it either. For the most part Jews do vote Democratic, but in this election, that is cracking.
Most I know are outraged on Kerry's flip flop on the Israeli security fence... some do defend him vehemently though.
Blacks vote overwhelmingly Democratic too, but the left has been no good friend to them either. I don't get that either. |
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Tom Poole
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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Go figure is right. I have some Jewish friends and one of them actually called me and attempted to get me to change my vote -- just so we wouldn't have to suffer under W any more, and wouldn't have to hear all the slander and lies anymore. I was polite.
Edit: I forgot to say they said I should see F-911 and I'd be sure to change.
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fortdixlover
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| kman wrote: | | Wonderful article. I've always admired Jewish writers' clarity of thought. Now if we and just get them to vote Republican for once... LOL!Kurt |
You forget a saying we Jews often recall: "Jews are often their own worst enemies."
They tend to get sucked into political movements that, on the surface, seem to be similar to the values taught in Jewish education - the values of helping people in need, of improving the world, of being kind to strangers. Unfortunately, liberalism has such a fascade.
They are also suffering a type of cultural post-traumatic stress disorder from the Nazi persecutions, and breaking away from the impressions of Republicans as hating Jews is especially difficult, especially among the very elderly who directly lost relatives, and their children (today's 65+ crowd).
However, this is changing.
My mother, a lifelong democrat, is voting (as I am) for GWB, and she has changed her registration to republican. My father if he were alive would have done likewise. My mother's elderly friends, save one, have also changed affiliations.
What motivated my mother? Racist demagogues like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson standing in the same room as the "mainstream" dems, for one. John Kerry's and Jane Fonda's anti-military diatribes, for another. My father had been a proud ex-soldier, had driven tank transports in Europe, and my family is proud of that.
The author's analysis of SwiftVet motivation is expressed in terms of the Jewish teachings of the Old Testament and Talmud (collected biblical analysis and commentary over many centuries). The Talmud is an excellent repository of wisdom on human behavior.
-- FDL
What motivates the Swifties? The Democrats say George W. Bush is behind them. But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand why the Swifties so loathe John Kerry. Kerry robbed them of honor and condemned them to infamy when he came back from the war and called them decapitators and rapists. We Jews call this Lashon Hara, the sin of the evil tongue, and it is a sin equated with murder. Killing a man's reputation is the equivalent of killing the man himself. His head sinks in public; he wishes he were dead. When you shame a man, you make him wish he could disappear into thin air. It is one thing to end a man's life. It is quite another to make him wish he would never have been born.
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fortdixlover
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| kman wrote: |
I didn't want this to turn into a religious debate, but here is some weird trivia for ya. It is nearly universal that people get more conservative as they grow older--thus the old saw "if you're not liberal when you're young, you don't have a heart; if you're not conservative when you grow up, you don't have a brain". This goes for all colors and races of people. The only exception is Jewish folks. I have lots of (mostly wealthy) Jewish friends in West Los Angeles and they are, to a man, Democrats. Many are socialists--whatever that means nowadays. The ones I've talked to are still voting for Kerry. |
How many people of all pursuasions are democrats and leftists in LA? I think you'll find an overwhelming number.
In other areas of the country, affiliations are changing. Even my Dem-leaning Jewish friends in Manhattan are beginning to crack!
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fortdixlover
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| mjanay wrote: | Don't listen to the MSM or conventional wisdom about the jewish vote.
I am a Jewish Republican, so is my whole family, and MANY of my relatives (US citizens that moved to Israel) who are avowed socialists (really) and have NEVER voted for a Republican in their lives are VOTING FOR BUSH!!!
Bush has been the strongest supporter of Israel ever, and American Jews realize it. Bush was greeted at AIPAC (American Israel PAC) with chants of "4 MORE YEARS!!" That has never happened to a republican before!
I realized that Kerry was dead when I was talking to my aunt, who was born in Israel and now lives in NJ and is a US citizen. She is also a socialist (and is proud of it). She was VEHEMENTLY anti-Bush in 2000. She is voting for Bush this year! She says that she just can't trust Kerry to defeat terrorists and support Israel. I almost fainted when she said it.
If Kerry can't even appeal to his base (a democratic socialist woman in NJ) he doesn't have a chance. |
You should remember that socialism, Jewish-style (among the non-fanatics), is a bit different than socialism, European-or-Asian style. Think "Kibbutz", the ultimate commune as opposed to "Gulag", or socialism Euro-style.
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Kimmymac
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This is an interesting thread. I guess the answer as to why Jews and African Americans continue to vote for Dems, when they are clearly not their friends, is that in politics, perception is everything.
As an evangelical Christian, I believe absolutely in the right of Israel to exist, and I believe that the Jewish people have the right to live in peace. I further believe that a core responsibility of US foreign policy is help Israel protect those rights.
I know that President Bush feels the same. Why else do you think he and his admin have attracted the wrath of Islamist extremists? Kerry's election would be a disaster on many levels, but his certain accomodation and capitulation to Israel's enemies would be very bad news for our friends in Israel.
Also, I must not have a heart, according to the commonly held definition of liberal and conservative, because I have NEVER been anything but a (compassionate) conservative Republican. In 1964 when Goldwater lost I cried. I was 4. When Reagan was elected in 1980 I cried tears of joy. I was 20. Both times I walked precincts, getting out the vote--at 4 I was just trailing my parents--at 20 I was working, going to school, and getting doors slammed in my face quite often, in the early days of the Reagan/Carter race. But right is right, and winning or losing doesn't change what is right. I would rather go down supporting the right candidate than win every time, supporting creeps like Kerry.
I guess that just means I never let my heart rule my head. Oh, okay, I confess: as a woman, I do sometimes let my heart rule my head. Like when I buy another pair of cute shoes I really do not need. But never, NEVER! when it comes to electing the people I want to represent me. 
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kman
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| fortdixlover wrote: |
How many people of all persuasions are democrats and leftists in LA? I think you'll find an overwhelming number.
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LOL! Hey; I may have been born at night, but not last night! I live on the Left Coast and would never extrapolate the weird goings on here to the rest of America. The demographic I mentioned earlier is from many national surveys.
Ya, it is pretty crazy out here. At least my congressional district is solidly conservative  .
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