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[Keith]

[Bhist]

Hey Vets --

Who is this guy Speedy who keeps repeating the same moronic phrases over and over again?

Is he?
a) A veteran of the Vietnam War
b) A Kerry fundraiser
c) A groupie of Nolan
d) B & A
e) Lying liberal
f) D & E

I'd have to choose F -- he's like Gore coming in at the 11th hour to endorse Howard Dean. He's like Kerry who flipped the bird at a Vietnam Vet beside the Vietnam Memorial on Memorial Day -- no respect for veterans, a deceiving, contriving backstabber who blacklisted all veterans of the Vietnam War by aligning himself with Jane Fonda and just years ago abandoned the MIAs in Vietnam.

Why should we respect or listen to liars and blind ideologues and a groupie of Keith Nolan? I will never address either Speedy or Nolan directly, never -- they do not deserve one bit of respect just as Kerry doesn't deserve one ounce of respect.

If a coward such as Kerry is elected President of the U.S., then we're in big trouble. If a fraud such as Kerry who lies about the extensiveness of a wound and pulls his weight to get a purple heart so he can flee the battlefield, come home and then betray his comrades gets elected, then this country and its servicemen are lost.
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[Greenhat]

[Bhist]

[quote="Greenhat
A top is a children's toy that spins, Keith. In the military, a "top" is a First Sergeant. For someone who writes history, you sure seem to have difficulties with language. Are you that ignorant?[/quote]

Hey Greenhat -- as I mentioned in an earlier post, Nolan is a pseudo-historian. He’s a self-publisher who can't get a respectable publishing house to market his book. Nolan is so hard up to see his name on a cover of a book that he'll pay to have it done himself. Anyone can be published...if they are willing to pay for it.
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[KeithNolan]

Why the crap about me being a self-published historian? That's simply a lie, and a lie offered in bad faith: a few minutes of internet research would tell you who published my books and when.

I don't get you guys. You feel comfortable telling lies about Kerry's service in Vietnam because you detest his politics, and now because I objected to those original lies about Kerry, you feel comfortable making up lies about my publishing history.

Cripes, if you've got a point to make, can't you make it without resorting to lies, innuendo, guilt by association, and all the other bullschitt associated with dirty-tricksters?

Weary unto the bone,
KWN

[DevilDon]

You invite these kind of responses because of the person you seem to be. I don't know you personally and I would bet large amounts of cash I wouldn't want to, but you have the type of personality and exhibit the kind of actions that I don't personally like. Everyone knows people like you, that was the seasoning of Bhist's lament.

I wonder how you felt I "screamed" at you because you disagreed. I simply told everyone how I perceived you. Clearly this is a real concern for you. Maybe you'd better go talk to Daddy about your lack of self-esteem.

I have not at all represented views on Vietnam, I've presented views on an individual who participated in the war. Perhaps, I might have presented views on anti-veteran politics, but that should be expected of anyone who's served honorably in any capacity. Oh yea, you wouldn't know, but ask the rest here. I stand proud to have served in peacetime, and I will not apologize that the United States was at peace while I served.

Also, please drag Dad in,but before you do, please allow him to view the cover of John Kerry's book. I can assure you there will be no "pissing contest" of any kind. He may in fact support you, but he will not come here and tell other Marines that it is not a most despicable depiction of the pride of the veteran. He simply will not and cannot. He is after all "once a Marine, always a Marine".

I'm not attacking you personally, I've only attacked the ideology of the "bad veteran" and the support you have for one who has espoused the idealogies of same. I'd have expected more from one who "implies" to be an "expert" on the Vietnam experience because he's listened to counless hours of interviews (and I do mean in all honesty I do respect it). But to put all that into context and see what you believe without regard to the statements of other officers who served with Kerry demands I view you as an editorialist, not an author of non-fiction.

It appears you must have been formulating ideas all along how you would listen to these stories and "cued" on those things you personally felt relevant and not so. Veterans love other veterans and they don't go about casting long shadows on those others who've served before and after them. You really have to stand out as a piece of feces to get that kind of attention from other veterans. In fact, as a historian, might you get me information on the last time this has happened? DDE or so on?

Finally, I've not read any of your books and after this discourse have no intention of doing so. But if your idea of Vietnam is "....bullet pierces his flesh and exits throwing a mist of blood and sinew and muscle tissue..." I've no use for you, or if you present opinions as fact, then I've no use for you either. If in fact you decide you want to be a journalist and document truth, please keep to those facts which can be documented and proved. Then, I'll stop "screaming" at you and Daddy can be proud.

Happy hunting tough-guy,
Don

[Craig]

[KeithNolan]

DevilDon, that last post of yours was just one long personal attack that had nothing to do with the subject at hand, namely whether or not John Kerry served honorably in Vietnam and whether or not the Vietnam Veterans Against the War was filled with frauds, liars, dupes, and traitors.

I'm certainly no "tough guy" (whatever that was supposed to mean), but I am relatively tough-skinned, and despite the personal insults being directed at me (and the lies now being told about my publishing background), I'm still willing to slog through this with anybody who wants to keep slogging.

The only reason I ever got on here was to contend that attacks against Kerry should be limited to his political career in the Senate. It's clear from those who served shoulder-to-shoulder with Kerry in Vietnam that he was a fine officer back in 1969. I think it's equally clear (given the murky, conflicting evidence we have about war crimes in Vietnam) that he had every right to come to the negative conclusions he did about the subject back when he was the informal spokesman for the Vietnam Veterans Against the War.

I was appalled when I started my first thread that the website administrator has no problem with the lies that fester on his message board---lies about Kerry being a bumbling, cowardly incompetent who spent his days in Vietnam machine-gunning civilians and shooting wounded, unarmed, and helpless guerrillas in the back.

I'm still appalled. Please tell me why I shouldn't be.

You know, my point of view really isn't that inflammatory. You guys have come at me, though, like I'm Jane Fonda herself. I don't get it. If you take comfort in personal insults, so be it. If you want to keep hashing the real subject out, I'm still here.

KWN

[carpro]

[Craig]

[carpro]

[Craig]

[carpro]

Sorry, Craig, you don't make rules for me.

That post was meant for Keith Nolan. Now he hasn't asked me to back it up. He may but I doubt it because it is such common knowledge.

As for you, look it up yourself or choose not to believe. I don't care one way or the other.
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"If he believes his 1971 indictment of his country and his fellow veterans was true, then he couldn't possibly be proud of his Vietnam service."

[Craig]

[Bhist]

Nolan is a pseudo-historian who likes to see his name on a cover of a book so he can point it out to his friends.

Nolan is a straight to paperback worthless "writer" who enjoys assassinating others with the tip of his cowardly pen.

Nolan -- you have the gall to come in here and tell veterans who fought in Vietnam that they don't know what they're talking about. As long as you continue to do that, then you have to deal with folks that will expose you for the fraud that you are.

I don't waste time backing crap up -- I'll state it anyway I damn please and if you want to research it fine, but I won't do that for your worthless lazy ass!

And, all the other Kerry Idiots – don’t waste your time telling me to back up what I say. I won’t respond to you.
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