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CBS has met the enema. And the enema is us.

(Apologies to Walt Kelly)
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[llano]

Matley was the one who said Vince Foster's suicide note was genuine!?!


http://fennel.assumption.edu/~guest/view/1996/View0396.htm

[becca1223]

This is my first time posting on here, so sorry, if I screw up. On Bush TANG fake documents, send email to:

Co-Pres, Viacom:
leslie.moonves@tvc.cbs.com

Regrettably, I was unable to locate other Co-Pres Tom Freston's email.

Tell CBS to ask themselves, What would Jesus do?.
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[ord33]

becca1223,

Thanks for the e-mail and welcome aboard!!!

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[Skypilot]

Marcel Matley is a pathetic ! Read about one of his typical method of operation (MO) here:

http://expertpages.com/news/expert_ambush.htm


Maybe somebody should review the transcripts of Rather’s interview with Matley to see if there is any answer bending going on?
Matley seems like a smoke and mirrors kinda guy.
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[kuwan]

I wouldn't just try writing to CBS, write to the other networks too - NBC, ABC, Fox. CBS has showed their hand and they are more interested in being "right" than finding the truth.

CBS is not going to be the one to get to the bottom of this, it will be the other networks. Write to them and ask them to demand the original documents from CBS. Ask them to demand where they got them from.

CBS stated today that they are sticking by their story. Get the rest of the media involved, that's what will make CBS crumble.
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[FireFox]

Boston Globe is saying Bouffard is saying that the document could have been produced on a Selectric Composer

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/09/11/authenticity_backed_on_bush_documents?pg=2

I don't think that he's read the user manual on it. Anyone know how I can contact him?

It should be as simple as pointing out
page 108 and the graphic I posted earlier.

[ASPB]

Do you know what a Selectric Composer cost in 1972?
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[FireFox]

Yes, but Bouffard is now saying it was possible and that the the Air Force had completed testing one in 1969. It would be nice to nip this in the bud early.

Bouffard, the Ohio document specialist, said that he had dismissed the Bush documents in an interview with The New York Times because the letters and formatting of the Bush memos did not match any of the 4,000 samples in his database. But Bouffard yesterday said that he had not considered one of the machines whose type is not logged in his database: the IBM Selectric Composer. Once he compared the Bush memos to Selectric Composer samples obtained from Interpol, the international police agency, Bouffard said his view shifted.

In the Times interview, Bouffard had also questioned whether the military would have used the Composer, a large machine. But Bouffard yesterday provided a document indicating that as early as April 1969 -- three years before the dates of the CBS memos -- the Air Force had completed service testing for the Composer, possibly in preparation for purchasing the typewriters.

As for the raised ''th" that appears in the Bush memos -- to refer, for example, to units such as the 111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron -- Bouffard said that custom characters on the Composer's metal typehead ball were available in the 1970s, and that the military could have ordered such custom balls from IBM.

''You can't just say that this is definitively the mark of a computer," Bouffard said.

[Paul R.]

I had posted this in another thread -- slight update.

Taking things a little further, I am trying to figure out why, even IF the documents were authentic, the DNC or CBS really thought they were all that important? Are they so arrogant they don't think we'll see through their spin(s)? I mean, good heavens, how many of us have not had a bit of a spat with our immediate boss or superior but then got it worked out, and said superior would readily vouch for us now? I know that my former boss and I got into a heck of a confrontation one time: I was almost mad enough to quit and he was almost mad enough to fire me. But, at the end of the hour, he respected me more for standing up for myself and I understood better what pressures he was under. We didn't quite cry and hug, but, a good friendship was born. If I was to update my resume today, he'd probably be my #1 reference, because I know what kind of a reference he'd give me!

That being said, I wonder if anyone knows what Killian had to say about Bush when all was said and done. If he was strongly positive, then that part of the case on Bush's service is closed. (This issue of forgery, however, is just getting started!)

I also noted on CBS website, earlier, while my wife was looking at it, that some character named Strong insinuates that the Guard at that time was corrupt. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/06/politics/main641481.shtml (This might be an update of the article I saw earlier.)

Does this sound familiar? Hey, old Guardsmen & women! Don't wait to defend yourselves! (Not sure how many women were in the Guard, then -- I guess I'm a little too young to know!)
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[Mark]

I waded through 47 pages of posts to ensure this wouldn't be redundant and saw only one mention (by ASPB).
What bothered me most when the CBS story first aired was the soucrce for these memos being Killian's "personal file" (what I know about fonts, typewriters, word processors, etc. would be lost in a thimble and while I, too, note multiple deviations from standard military format and phrasing such could be attributed to differences in services or even Kilian being "different"....MAYBE).
Just what the heck is a "personal file" and where would such a file be 20 years after one's death? In my own case, the little in there (my own Fitness Reports and some I wrote on others, scrapbook stuff, etc.) would be maintained or trashed by my kids. But Killian's family members state they didn't have such files.
Perhaps the real source for these memos was too stupid about the military to know that there are no "personal files" maintained by some repository outside one's own family.
I note the biased AP keeps dissing Bush for not producing Killian's "personal files" earlier. How dumb and/or .
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[truthhunter]

Mark:

My thoughts exactly.

[USAFBratToo]

Today NPR covered the forgeries. Great, I thought. Finally! Ah, but I spoke too soon. They ended the segment by saying, with great import, that there is a whole new issue in the matter. The question of forgery was raised, they said, on a weblog one minute before 60 minutes ended. It wouldn't be possible to determine the claims made in the log, they assert, based on a quick glimpse of the documents on a tv screen. They didn't say it but the clear implication was that the forgery was done by the Bush people, who were ready and waiting to challenge the docs as 60 Minutes ended, and the docs were leaked to Kerry so he would look like the duplicitous idiot that he is when they were discovered to be fake.

There has to be some response to NPR. They do read letters on the air and on their website. I did not see the 60 minutes show. In your opinions could someone spot the forgery from the TV show? Could someone watch it on their computer as it's broadcast rather than on TV?