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Becky
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| Tom Poole wrote: | | zinfella wrote: | | And what happens to them when our hero loses?... |
I dunno. It's my own personal speculation based on little hard information. I believe it's possible that verbal promises could have been offered and they could have been contingent on winning or they could be win or lose. Certainly, the truth about what happened will be greatly reduced in value if our hero loses.
Either way, we should be greatly interested in this little bit of human nature. Depending on the type of promise, those who support our hero may be more willing to tell the truth if in about a month, if it looks like our hero will lose. |
I don't know how Navy Chief and you guys do this...my head
starts spinning just following everything (and I HAVE the book)
so that by the time I realize where ya'll are going it's like
"I knew that-duh"...yeah, and I got some swamp I'll let go
for a good price 
Perks for these guys must be good...pity nobody knows
what income was and now is - just think of it - Kerry
flies in hair stylist at what $1,000 a cut? and that's just
to keep his hair pretty - again, wander how these guys
were living then and now? Sell your soul at what price?
comes to mind. They knew Kerry was a snake when
they put him in their pocket  |
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NavyChief
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Navy_Navy_Navy
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Before this has a chance to edge off into something ugly, may I please ask that you look at this from the other side of the fence?
These men who stand with Kerry could be honestly what they profess to be - true believers.
I'm not so sure that they could remain so if they read UFC, or if they've visited this site and read here a lot.
With that in mind, I would like to suggest that we understand that these guys could be absolutely sick with the pain of betrayal, at the moment. I've pegged people wrong a time or two in my life and stubbornly stuck with them after they've stabbed me in the back over and over. The realization that you've been betrayed comes with pain like mourning.
Let's speak of these men with respect here, and always ascribe to them the highest motives, such as personal belief and loyalty - at least until we have irrefutable proof to the contrary?
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zinfella
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| Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 1:30 am Post subject: |
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Last night, listening to a rebroadcast of G Gordon Liddy's show, he had a retired Navy Captain, who was a Seal, as a guest. The Captain, sorry about not remembering his name, ran the Seal's school at San Diego (Coronado), prior to retirement, and in fact was commanding when the G man's son went through the school. They have known each other for 20 years.
The captain claimed to have talked, by phone, within the last couple of days to one of John F-ing Kerry's "band of brothers" about his support for a traitor. The captain didn't reveal the name of the supporter, but he did say that the supporter said that he "had to do it, because Kerry was his officer, and when he went into the voting booth, he would be voting for bush."
As to exactly how much credence to give this, I cannot say for sure, but personally, I believe the captain. Which is not necessarily the same as believing the supporter.
The captain is one of the folks behind tomorrow's 9/12 event, and from what I can tell, his credentials are very much in order.
Perhaps others can add more to this story. As I see it, it's a crack that ought to be widened.
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RiflemanDD730
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| Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 1:35 am Post subject: Going After Kerry's 2nd Purple Heart |
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Possible scenario.
The medals in the picture represent those from 28 Feb plus one purple heart from 2 Dec for Kerry. The medals from 20 Feb are not yet processed. The media story starts out with the 20 Feb and 28 Feb actions but the 20 Feb part is edited out for brevity.
Zumwalt wants to pump up morale. The 28 Feb action looks like an opportunity to hand out medals more so than the 20th. He calls in Kerry while he's in Saigon and lets him know he caught the brass ring(Silver Star). Kerry, still steaming over having no purple heart from 2 Dec casually lets Zumwalt know that A PH is "in the works" from 2 Dec and wouldn't it be nice alongside a SS? Zumwalt tells his staff to make it happen fast and don't worry about the PH paperwork(the missing after action report) Kerry says its "in the works".
Summary: Kerry and crew get 28 Feb medals(with 20 Feb in process), and Kerry gets a PH only on the basis of a casualty report. The "in the works" action report of course doesn't exist. |
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sdonions
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| NavyChief wrote: |
"a minor non-specific urinary tract infection."
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In my research and reading on Nam, isn't this the euphemism for VD? Seems to my that that is what the officers get and the enlisted men got VD. |
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zinfella
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| Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 1:37 am Post subject: |
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| Navy_Navy_Navy wrote: | Before this has a chance to edge off into something ugly, may I please ask that you look at this from the other side of the fence?
These men who stand with Kerry could be honestly what they profess to be - true believers.
I'm not so sure that they could remain so if they read UFC, or if they've visited this site and read here a lot.
With that in mind, I would like to suggest that we understand that these guys could be absolutely sick with the pain of betrayal, at the moment. I've pegged people wrong a time or two in my life and stubbornly stuck with them after they've stabbed me in the back over and over. The realization that you've been betrayed comes with pain like mourning.
Let's speak of these men with respect here, and always ascribe to them the highest motives, such as personal belief and loyalty - at least until we have irrefutable proof to the contrary?
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Navy, you have a point, but as the old saying goes, "confession is good for the soul". Surely by now these guys know that the jig is up, or at the very least, they smell a rat in F-ing. This has gone on for too long for anyone to be generous to these guys. They are part of the problem, not the solution, or so it seems to me.
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zinfella
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| sdonions wrote: | | NavyChief wrote: |
"a minor non-specific urinary tract infection."
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In my research and reading on Nam, isn't this the euphemism for VD? Seems to my that that is what the officers get and the enlisted men got VD. |
Do you mean non specific urethritis (NSU)? If so, the cause is not known, and it doesn't have to be VD. The reason that it's called "non specific" is because not enough is known about it's cause. F-ings infection, if it indeed was NSU, may, or may not, be VD related.
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Becky
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| Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 2:47 am Post subject: Play Nice hmmm |
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| Navy_Navy_Navy wrote: | Before this has a chance to edge off into something ugly, may I please ask that you look at this from the other side of the fence?
These men who stand with Kerry could be honestly what they profess to be - true believers.
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You are correct. I suppose I should apologize...
I spent 15 years investigating bad people (rich and poor) before
a stroke scrambled my brain some...perhaps my cynicism is
uncalled for...then perhaps not  People make choices.
Sometimes they have to defend those choices. Sometimes
those choices can't be defended - usually because they were
made for the wrong reasons. Having said that...I will abide
by your request and behave myself  |
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zinfella
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In order to defeat John F-ing Kerry, his support must be compromised. When none can defend him, he is unraveled. We all must take a stand, and be responsible for that decision. So, those that do defend him are in opposition to the mission.
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BenDeR
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I have to go with zinfella on this one. Jim Wasser was somewhere saying JF'gK was honest because he (Wasser) was with him when JF'gK got his first purple heart and served with Kerry on his swift boat. Both statements are lies but Wasser made them regardless..
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Tom Poole
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Has Rather heard about that?
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BenDeR
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Navy_Navy_Navy
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| Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2004 4:14 am Post subject: Re: Play Nice hmmm |
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| Becky wrote: | Having said that...I will abide
by your request and behave myself |
You're cool - I wasn't speaking to anyone in particular.
I just wanted to head things off at the pass, because I know how fast a discussion can degenerate.
In all honesty, it is very difficult for me to refrain from speaking exactly what's on my mind, sometimes - it WOULDN'T be pretty.
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BenDeR
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But we should stay on topic here, if NavyChief would just stop being a tease and finish the bedtime story 
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