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cipher Vice Admiral
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 2:59 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | So now what happens when the documentation sent to SECNAV for the decision are found to be fradulent? |
Report it to the IG? _________________ USMC 69-72, 7th Comm, 3rd MarDiv, FMFPAC
US Army 75-79, 97th Sig, SHAPE, NATO
Arkansas National Guard 79
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ASPB Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 2:59 am Post subject: |
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Chief,
They were approved in Saigon. SecNav had delegated the authority to the office of ComNavForV just as they had for all awards below the Navy Cross.
If you look at the Kerry's award letters they were all signed by the same guy in Saigon... Forget it, he's dead! _________________ On Sale! Order in lots of 100 now at velero@rcn.com Free for the cost of shipping All profits (if any, especially now) go to Swiftvets. The author of "Sink Kerry Swiftly" ---ASPB |
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MJB LCDR
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 3:00 am Post subject: |
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Sent to both the Navy IG and the DOD IG this evening (with slight modifications for each addressee):
Dear Sir or Madam,
I am writing to let you know of my displeasure with the Navy’s recent investigation of discrepancies with Sen. John Kerry’s medals. As an 8 year Air Force veteran, with a background as a military intelligence officer, I can appreciate the importance of what they’ve been asked to investigate.
Their progress to date has apparently failed to address the lack of evidence for Sen. Kerry’s first purple heart, the duplicate Silver Star documentation (including Sec. John Lehman’s signature), the “V” for valor on the Silver Star, etc.
To say that because 30 years have passed it is fruitless to investigate further is improper. If Sen. Kerry truly deserves his medals, he should have his name cleared of any doubt.
If the medals were all, or in part, unfairly earned – that discredits all of the brave men and women from all conflicts who did in fact deserve their awards, and Sen. Kerry should have to “face the music.”
I realize this is a political hot potato, no matter what course of action is chosen. But the truth is vitally important in this case. It is possible you and your Navy colleagues would serve a Commander in Chief whose character and integrity are deeply suspect. How will that benefit the military and the DOD in the long run? How can his decisions about force employment be trusted if the allegations about him are true?
I strongly urge you to not let the Navy drop this matter before their work is complete.
Respectfully,
Jane Neumiller-Bustad
Realtor
Training Consultant
St. Paul, MN
USAF ’85-‘92 _________________ MJB
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cipher Vice Admiral
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 3:04 am Post subject: |
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Why do I have the feeling NAVIG and IGDoD are going to be hating Algore for letting ARPANet get into public hands on Monday morning? _________________ USMC 69-72, 7th Comm, 3rd MarDiv, FMFPAC
US Army 75-79, 97th Sig, SHAPE, NATO
Arkansas National Guard 79
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NavyChief Rear Admiral
Joined: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 627 Location: Boise, Idaho
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 3:09 am Post subject: |
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ASPB wrote: | Chief,
They were approved in Saigon. SecNav had delegated the authority to the office of ComNavForV just as they had for all awards below the Navy Cross.
If you look at the Kerry's award letters they were all signed by the same guy in Saigon... Forget it, he's dead! |
True. So true, however COMNAVFORV is a defunk command. The responsibility lies in SECNAV's hands now. Again, if I could make a trip to the National Archives, I have the box numbers and the record numbers of just said awards and the supporting documentation. It's good to have friends
- Chief _________________ Working with Senator Kerry four years in the POW/MIA Office left me thinking -- when did the man ever do any work? |
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Navy wife Research Director
Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 353 Location: Arlington, VA & Ft. Worth, TX
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 3:12 am Post subject: What's this about, Troy? |
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Are you talking about the Naval Archives or NARA?
Mary |
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cipher Vice Admiral
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 3:13 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | It's good to have friends |
Uniform of the Day is Pajamas, Mark I Mod 0. _________________ USMC 69-72, 7th Comm, 3rd MarDiv, FMFPAC
US Army 75-79, 97th Sig, SHAPE, NATO
Arkansas National Guard 79
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ASPB Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
Joined: 01 Jun 2004 Posts: 1680
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 3:15 am Post subject: |
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NavyChief wrote: | ASPB wrote: | Chief,
They were approved in Saigon. SecNav had delegated the authority to the office of ComNavForV just as they had for all awards below the Navy Cross.
If you look at the Kerry's award letters they were all signed by the same guy in Saigon... Forget it, he's dead! |
True. So true, however COMNAVFORV is a defunk command. The responsibility lies in SECNAV's hands now. Again, if I could make a trip to the National Archives, I have the box numbers and the record numbers of just said awards and the supporting documentation. It's good to have friends
- Chief |
What bothers me most is I don't believe these are "personal" records. They're command records and should not be subject to control by Kerry. _________________ On Sale! Order in lots of 100 now at velero@rcn.com Free for the cost of shipping All profits (if any, especially now) go to Swiftvets. The author of "Sink Kerry Swiftly" ---ASPB |
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cipher Vice Admiral
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 3:18 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | What bothers me most is I don't believe these are "personal" records. They're command records and should not be subject to control by Kerry |
I think the Chief just implied they ARE public records. And he knows precisely where they are located. He just needs a pajama patrol for some close support. _________________ USMC 69-72, 7th Comm, 3rd MarDiv, FMFPAC
US Army 75-79, 97th Sig, SHAPE, NATO
Arkansas National Guard 79
Defense contractor for US Navy, SSPO, SP-20, SP-24, OP-12 84-92 |
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NavyChief Rear Admiral
Joined: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 627 Location: Boise, Idaho
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 3:28 am Post subject: |
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ASPB wrote: | NavyChief wrote: | ASPB wrote: | Chief,
They were approved in Saigon. SecNav had delegated the authority to the office of ComNavForV just as they had for all awards below the Navy Cross.
If you look at the Kerry's award letters they were all signed by the same guy in Saigon... Forget it, he's dead! |
True. So true, however COMNAVFORV is a defunk command. The responsibility lies in SECNAV's hands now. Again, if I could make a trip to the National Archives, I have the box numbers and the record numbers of just said awards and the supporting documentation. It's good to have friends
- Chief |
What bothers me most is I don't believe these are "personal" records. They're command records and should not be subject to control by Kerry. |
These records aren't personal. You are right, they are command records. It's just that not many knew these records existed and "my friends" just happened to point me to the box and record numbers Unless Sandy Berger swiped these out of the box, they're there in all their little glory.
- Chief _________________ Working with Senator Kerry four years in the POW/MIA Office left me thinking -- when did the man ever do any work? |
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NavyChief Rear Admiral
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 3:30 am Post subject: |
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cipher wrote: | Quote: | What bothers me most is I don't believe these are "personal" records. They're command records and should not be subject to control by Kerry |
I think the Chief just implied they ARE public records. And he knows precisely where they are located. He just needs a pajama patrol for some close support. |
He he... actually there is some possibilities of a pajama patrol happening. We'll just need to wait a day or two
- Chief _________________ Working with Senator Kerry four years in the POW/MIA Office left me thinking -- when did the man ever do any work? |
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cipher Vice Admiral
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 3:31 am Post subject: |
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You want flies with that? _________________ USMC 69-72, 7th Comm, 3rd MarDiv, FMFPAC
US Army 75-79, 97th Sig, SHAPE, NATO
Arkansas National Guard 79
Defense contractor for US Navy, SSPO, SP-20, SP-24, OP-12 84-92 |
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IFF Beacon Seaman Recruit
Joined: 18 Sep 2004 Posts: 8
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 3:40 am Post subject: |
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Vice Admiral Ronald Route said,
"In addition, we found that they correctly followed the procedures in place at the time for approving these awards."
.....the IG claims "they correctly followed the procedures."
.....NavSec Lehman claims he "never signed, never saw, never approved" the SS'V' citation.
.....somebody is lying.....guess who?.....
.....I expect the Navy Brass prompted the IG to close the investigation without looking at all..... |
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skidlid Seaman Recruit
Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 25
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 3:44 am Post subject: Kerry'smedal "process" OK'dby US Navy |
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NavyChief, If you need to pay a visit to the Archives, I'll bet we can come up w/ the money to pay for your trip(if that is what you are saying & have the time). I'm good for a "c" note.
If this is not what you are needing,then I'll bet I know who is taking a little trip Monday.
"Help is on the way", I hope.
Skidlid _________________ Skidlid
USMC 64 - 68
MASS-2,MASS-3 = RVN 66 - 67
ChuLai,DaNang,QuanNgai,DucPho,Hue |
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NavyChief Rear Admiral
Joined: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 627 Location: Boise, Idaho
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 4:00 am Post subject: Re: Kerry'smedal "process" OK'dby US Navy |
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skidlid wrote: | NavyChief, If you need to pay a visit to the Archives, I'll bet we can come up w/ the money to pay for your trip(if that is what you are saying & have the time). I'm good for a "c" note.
If this is not what you are needing,then I'll bet I know who is taking a little trip Monday.
"Help is on the way", I hope.
Skidlid |
Patience, Master Jedi
The forces of good are working on it
- Chief _________________ Working with Senator Kerry four years in the POW/MIA Office left me thinking -- when did the man ever do any work? |
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