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E · Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 5:34 am Post subject: The grossest thing here

is the twisted logic used to defend the indefensible. The facts as they stand are very clear:
1: Bush is not a competent leader, and he failed to find competent help.
2: FDR and Truman laid the groundwork for the GI Bill, which made my grandparents and parents generations middle class (Army 1928-56, Merchant Marines, Navy, Navy Transport) and have access to college and home loans.
3: Cuts to the growth of spending for VA hospitals were a direct result of Newt Gingrich's Contract on America. Funding growth has grown drastically as several generations of honorable vets benefit from improved medical treatments that increase life spans but cost grossly disproportionate sums (VA cannot volume purchase medecines at a discount-madness). Baby boomer Vietnam and Gulf War vets as well as Panama, Grenada, and other conflicts most people forget are now wanting treatment-but the VA can't inform them of their benefits?
4: If the SBVT really stand for the truth and are proud of their service to the nation they should prove their bonafides. That said, if they did indeed serve, they deserve our thanks regardless of their political positions.
5: Kerry as a senator is in the unfortunate position of having been in a deliberative body where horse trading with the opposition (Not enemy, please) is part of what must be done there. If you can get X for your constituency by making Y compromises, that is what you do. Only since the Newt Gingrich revolution has the level of hostility so interfered with the process of governance that democracy has suffered.
6: Maybe you get one medal for luck, not five, and if you want to stick them someplace inappropriate I believe you have earned the right.
7: John McCain, who is awesome in many ways, is not participating in the shameful abuse of John Kerry through proxies, and he personally suffered longer than many prisoners of war. Why? Because the people who smeared him, Max Cleland, and so many others are the same people who are smearing Kerry.
8: I don't hate Bush. I pity him. He has squandered every opportunity handed to him by his station in life, by his family, and by the Supreme Court. Had he done what he said in 2000, democratic partisans would have no basis to criticise him. He didn't unite America, and in fact does very little of what he says he will do. He didn't disappear from the TAG because he was opposed to war or the military, and in his own words he drank and drugged it away.
If the swift vets are for real, let them come out and speak their piece with all the cards on the table. Otherwise, they are just participating in the current American delusion. God save us all in that case.
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boatsturley · Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 6:37 am Post subject:

Every Swift Boat sailor was trained on the Geneva Conventions and the rules of engagement. At the Nuemberg Trials "orders" and "ignorance" were not allowed as a defence. "Free-fire" zones were not without procedure, like finding out who might be there before openning up. I know at least one officer who was relieved of duty for firing indiscriminately into a free fire zone without first contacting all "local" units for up to the minute clearance information.
Kerry hung his hat on the PRG [VietCong] NVA Communists bedpost while still an officer of the United States NAVY. There is no way to hide this fact and it makes him a "Benadict Arnold" of such proportions that still today his consorting with enemies of the U.S. is affecting the American psyche. He became the enemy's right arm here in the States, while American troops were still in the war zone. You justify that and you have a serious lack of character, or you just don't get it.
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PCF "Swift Boat" 15, Chu Lai, DaNang, '67-'68

boatsturley · Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 7:01 am Post subject:

It is interesting that you Kerry-ites don't sign your names or give any indication who or what you are. I'm NOT pro-Bush as you clowns would have the world believe to cover for your beloved NOTwar hero Kerry. But it happens that as a combat veteran I can forgive those who did not serve much easier than I can forgive a self-serving medal monger, who betrayed his comrades in arms and his country by making false statements, consorting with the enemy and supporting those who were contributing to the deaths of thousands of U.S. troops in the combat zone. Kerry had only one thing in mind, his political career. Since he didn't get discharged from the Navy Reserve until long after his anti-American/anti-government activities it is clear that he violated the 14th Amendment: Section 3; and should not even be allowed to hoold the office of local dog catcher without a 2/3rds vote of both Houses of Congress to lift his civil and military disability.
Cowards hide behind the ignorance and/or the ambitions of others.
For those of you who refuse to give names and identify yourselves, there is no greater revelation about the lack of personal character than those who will hide from the light of truth and refuse to face those questioning their integrity. Come on out and let's have a public forum with Kerry and some of us Swifties who have no political agenda, save letting the world know the truth about Hanoi-John Kerry.

Bring it on! Any public forum without bias, or "live-lead" no delays broadcast. Let's see just who John Forbes Kerry really is?? Where's your guts John-boy. Hanoi-John sold his soul for a shot at the Presidency. Only one flaw. He is so arrogant that he thinks we forgot. Well John, we didn't and now it's time to face the Nation with the unmitigated truth.
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PCF "Swift Boat" 15, Chu Lai, DaNang, '67-'68

sparky · Former Member Joined: 06 May 2004 Posts: 546

"It is interesting that you Kerry-ites don't sign your names or give any indication who or what you are."

I've been Internet conferencing for over ten years, initially on Usenet and the Well. I learned long ago not to leave my name. It's easy for you not to worry: none of your opponents are potentially dangerous. After having received nasty phone calls, I unlisted my phone number. Then some nutty anonymous rightwinger found out where I lived and sent threatening letters that were untraceable.

But don't worry, nobody here is going to do that to you. Liberals prefer reasonable discourse and friendly persuasion to threats.

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sparky · Former Member Joined: 06 May 2004 Posts: 546

Navy_Navy_Navy · Admin Joined: 07 May 2004 Posts: 5777

sparky · Former Member Joined: 06 May 2004 Posts: 546

I don't think they'd actually thought it through, to be honest.

eecee · Ensign Joined: 09 May 2004 Posts: 52

Buddy · Seaman Recruit Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 18

WOW, John Kerry got 3 Purple Hearts!! His body must look like swiss cheese. I would have to admire a man like Kerry that subjected his body to that much punishment. He must be a true hero!! I was wounded on the Cua Lon river in Aug.'1969 on PCF-9. I was hit with an RPG. And I only spent 6 months in Bethesda Naval Hospital. John Kerry must have spent much longer healing and recuperating in a stateside hospital. I only got 1 Purple Heart. With John Kerry getting THREE he must have been really chewed up. What military hospital was in?
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