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beansoup · Lieutenant Joined: 20 Aug 2004 Posts: 215 Location: Texas

The L.A. Times uses the word phony,very loosely...Therefore I will also use it loosely...The Phony L.A.Times should be the last one to try to educate the public...Being bias is not a label to acquire..If The L.A. Times is so sure the Swiftboat ads are nonsense, why aren't they challenging the Swiftboat ads..And why isn't kamikaze kerry challenging them also...It's so easy to condemn something, it's another to back it up with documents or proof of what the hell they are calling nonsense...It just goes to show how stupid and bias the L.A. Times really is..One word for the Times is, print the facts, and not opinions...Or is that to hard to do..The NY Times already lost 2 million subscribers on Sunday editions..The L.A. Times will end up the same, because the public is not stupid...The whole MSM has to wake up..If I ran my business like these people are, I'd be broke in a short period of time...CBS should be a lesson to these, empty heads...
The news is on the Internet, bloggers etc etc.......
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Dimsdale · Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 2:18 pm Post subject:

Cali-HeyGirl · Seaman Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 156 Location: Mayport

Integrity · Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 4:13 pm Post subject:

I don't know how old Tim Rutten is, but I'd wager that like many other reporters today he's barely old enough to remember anything about the period of time in question.

There have been many superb articles/e-mails written by those serving in Iraq. The story they tell is diametrically opposed to the one the LSM is telling. The falsity promulgated by the media, coupled with the deceit and treachery of John Kerry, sets this generation of soldiers up to be the next generation Vietnam Vet.

Not only can this not be allowed to happen, but justice and honor for those brave soldiers who served our nation in Vietnam must be restored. There is no question that John Kerry would sell this nation, and our soldiers out just as he did in the 70's.

The only one's spewing nonsense are John Kerry and his propogandists.

Here's a couple of good reads from Iraq if you're interested:

http://www.blackfive.net/main/2004/09/dear_america.html

http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/002544.php
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coldwarvet · Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 4:20 pm Post subject:

I hope the Swift Boat Veterans For Truth will add the LA Times to an ever growing list of MSM outlets that will be sued for libel.

CWV
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We need to launch a concerted campaign to change the bias regarding the SBVT claims among many MSM journalists.

Here, for example, is a sentence on pg. 24 in the Sept. 20 Time Magazine article about John Kerry, "Coolness Under Fire". I quote: "The Swifties' initial charges were reckless and unfair, but the Kerry camp's political instincts were almost worse. The campaign did...nothing."

In fact, there was nothing at all reckless or unfair about the UFC charges. Solidly documented claims are neither "reckless" nor "unfair." Moreover, the Kerry campaign did respond, vigorously -- claiming that these were "lies" -- and that was about the extent of their rebuttal, which liberal journalists at Time Magazine and other media absorbed without any balanced reflection or criticism.

Michael Duffy and Karen Tumulty are the authors of the Time Magazine article. We need to get the word to Time executives and the editorial staff at the magazine that this kind of journalism is irresponsible and unbalanced -- and creates for them the same kind of credibility problem that Rather's bias has created at CBS -- in failing to carefully vet sources and documents for the Bush national guard service story.

We need to continually put pressure on the media to respond fairly and to examine their political biases.
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Richard Christiansen · Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 4:49 pm Post subject:

My theory is that ultra liberal philosophy is that personal morality or honesty is rare or unrealistic to obtain, therefore "everybody does it" is their belief. Therefore Bush is just as corrupt as Kerry, and all accusations are also pointless and groundless, because that is what they do and assume everybody does the same thing. The ultra liberal morality is not measured by personal morality, but by public morality, that is, how much money can government tax the rich to help the poor, because all rich people are greedy and corrupt, and all poor people are helpless victims. I believe this philosophy is often gendered by their own personal guilt feelings. Of course, all of this meshes perfectly with a socialistic or communistic philosophy of government.
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scotty61 · LCDR Joined: 07 May 2004 Posts: 419 Location: Glyndon MN

The LA Times has shown no respect for the truth for some time now. They dealt in falsehoods through last year recall election. What I feel is important is that while many repeat the claim that the SBVFT charges have been disproven, not one, NOT ONE has ever presented anything to substanciate that claim. They think that if they repeat it long enough it will become the truth. They have siezed Goebbels' maxim on the truth and yet dare to call us fascists.

coldwarvet · Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 6:00 pm Post subject:

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=libel&x=19&y=10

Main Entry: 1li·bel
Pronunciation: 'lI-b&l
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, written declaration, from Middle French, from Latin libellus, diminutive of liber book
1 a : a written statement in which a plaintiff in certain courts sets forth the cause of action or the relief sought b archaic : a handbill especially attacking or defaming someone
2 a : a written or oral defamatory statement or representation that conveys an unjustly unfavorable impression b (1) : a statement or representation published without just cause and tending to expose another to public contempt (2) : defamation of a person by written or representational means (3) : the publication of blasphemous, treasonable, seditious, or obscene writings or pictures (4) : the act, tort, or crime of publishing such a libel.

SBVFT is obligated to respond to the John Kerry challenge "Bring it on" - John Kerry
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drjohn · Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 6:01 pm Post subject:

The irony is that it is the overt bias of the MSM that will eventually be its destruction. More and more of us turn to the Pajamahadeen for the real story and the prominence of the MSM is waning daily.

beansoup · Lieutenant Joined: 20 Aug 2004 Posts: 215 Location: Texas

Seems to me, the wall of the, BIAS news outputs, is crumbling..Like the gipper said, "TAKE THAT WALL DOWN."
NY Times - Blair case
CBS - Rather case
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volosong · Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 11:03 pm Post subject:

I used to read the L.A. Times. It is really trash now. I refuse to purchase it, and only did under duress when my wife wanted to check the Sunday travel section for airplane fares and specials.

p.s. If there is a copy laying around, I will take a peak at the Fry's Electronics ads.