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Me#1You#10
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What Search Items and Types do you use? I'd like to start using Google Alerts too.
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I use 2.
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m_drummond
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| Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| You can't reason with moonbats or wing-nuts, but write away. It'll make you feel better, and if someone inadvertantly prints your reply, you may get a few conerts. You are dealing with a portion of Dear Kommandte Kerry's America. |
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Navy_Navy_Navy
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Sent this to three addresses at the SMT and one other person - I hope SMT has the balls to print some of these rebuttals, but they've been a leftstream rag for years, so the hope is only a tiny one.
| Quote: | Some actual facts - rebuttal to an under-powered editorial
Re: "Swift Boat Veterans For Truth," the writer says, "Those charges have mostly been proved false by the facts of the case."
Let me say this clearly enough that your author may understand:
NOT ONE allegation in Unfit for Command has been disproven. NOT ONE allegation made by the Swifts has been even credibly called into question.
On the contrary, the Kerry campaign has had to do some serious back-tracking on behalf of its double-talking candidate on many fronts.
1. Kerry was NOT in Cambodia - first, "not for Christmas," then "not for a secret mission," then, finally, "not ever."
2. Kerry's first wound/PH may have been self-inflicted, after all.
3. Kerry's boat was the only one who fled in the Bay Hap incident, despite Kerry's After-Action reports and claims to the contrary.
4. There were NO mutinies or general uprising among the troops against the leadership of the Coastal Division and no Commanding Officer was ever relieved for cause.
The overwhelming proof continues to grow to this day - researchers combing through the Naval Archives in the last few weeks have independently found what the mainstream media has overlooked. Pieces of the John Kerry puzzle are coming together hourly. If Unfit for Command were to be re-written, today, it would be at least doubled in size.
Then your writer says, "Although Democrats were slow to respond, they have now done so by engineering a regurgitation of President Bush's limited engagement in the Texas Air National Guard, including memos reported to be evidence that Bush disobeyed a direct order to take a physical exam."
Including memos that were exposed for fakes within hours of being made available on the internet, in case you hadn't noticed?
And "limited engagement?" He racked up almost enough drill points in his first year to account for all those necessary for a six-year enlistment, and even more points in his second year! What in the world is "limited" about that? He did not have even one year for which he had too few drill points - he missed some drills, he made them up. Big deal - when I was in the Reserves, so did I.
He was in flight training for two years to fly what amounted to the aerodynamic equivalent of a refrigerator equipped with rockets. Of the 875 F-102's built, 259 of them were lost in accidents - it was not an easy aircraft to fly.
And just to set the record straight, the President did volunteer to go to Vietnam with an operation called Palace Guard - but there were pilots with thousands of hours of flight time who also volunteered, and those were the men who were sent. The decision was made at a level just a tad above 1LT Bush's paygrade.
Perhaps in the mind of your author, "The Vietnam War is over. It was an unfortunate period in American history that now needs to be put behind us."
Your author apparently wasn't there. Pardon my complete disdain for such ignorant commentary.
He certainly has no concept of the vile slander assigned to an entire generation of soldiers and no concept of the reason for this visceral, nearly universal rejection of this chameleon candidate by soldiers of all eras.
We are veterans - we are united by generations of our brothers' and sisters' blood shed in the name of promoting freedom and protecting this country.
We are united in the honor of having taken that oath to protect and defend.
We know that things like "duty, honor, country and integrity" are more than words.
They are either etched upon your soul or they are not.
John Kerry has demonstrated none of these.
When his request for a fifth year of student deferment status was declined and he was unable to go to Paris to continue his studies for a year, he enlisted in the Navy.
He did a short tour aboard the USS Gridley which included seven weeks in the coastal waters of Vietnam in support of the Seventh Fleet.
He then gamed the system as a Swift Boats commander and attempted to turn a four-month stint in Vietnam and his year on the Gridley into "two tours in Vietnam."
He ran as an anti-war candidate when it was politically expedient to do so, and as a war hero when it suited him.
Once home, John Kerry negotiated with the enemy and led the dissidents in the streets. He led the Vietnam Veterans Against the War and participated in a weekend seminar in which the hottest debate was the assassination of several pro-war Senators.
He failed to report this conspiracy to any authorities.
He lied to Congress in his sworn testimony of April 22, 1971 and he lied to the country for the three years in which he was actively involved with Vietnam Veterans Against the War.
He told us that our soldiers were little better than animals and universally guilty of war crimes and atrocities. Unfortunately, the My Lai tragedy gave his fraudulent testimony the imprimatur of credibility.
After years of unbearable losses and a politically micro-managed war that came into our living rooms every night via the anti-war media, we were finally convinced that we were doing the wrong thing, trying to help Vietnam defend itself.
"Uncle Walter" Cronkite convinced us that the incredible victory we had achieved over the Tet Offensive was actually the mark of our loss of the Vietnam war.
Richard Nixon's "peace with honor" was rejected and our troops were precipitously pulled from the country that desperately needed our help. Over three million people died in the resulting bloodbath of South Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. You won't find anything but disgust among the Vietnamese communities in California for John Kerry. They know what he did, even if your writer does not.
In defeat, our soldiers came home. They were rejected by the VFW and American Legion because "you lost your war!" They were rejected by we civilians because we had been made to see them as drug-crazed, hair-triggered monsters who collected human ears for souvenirs.
They made lives for themselves despite the obstacles. Statistically, they are better educated than non-Vietnam veterans, have a higher per capita income, less incidence of alcoholism or drug dependence and less incidence of criminal activity.
You would never know it to review the books, novels, movies and documentaries made about Vietnam and its veterans - nearly all of which perpetuate that myth of the hair-triggered monster.
The vets sucked it up and drove on. They swept it under the rug that one of their own had betrayed them with lies and was elected to the US Senate.
They swept it under the rug when this Senator betrayed the men left alive in Vietnam prison camps as late as 1993.
They swept it under the rug that the Forbes family business profited in the billions when the Senator's Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs concluded that the government of Vietnam was reliably cooperating with the United States and recommended normalizing relations in trade and diplomacy with that country.
Even battle-hardened veterans have their line in the sand, however.
When it appeared that this self-serving, self-aggrandizing poser was becoming a credible candidate for the position of Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States, thousands shouted, "enough!"
And thousands more are adding their voices to the chorus every week.
We understand today what we didn't understand back then, when we had the wool pulled over our eyes by the leftist anti-war movement.
We know now that it was never about "peace," but that it was, at its heart, anti-military.
And we understand that even dragging the good name of the American fighting man through the mud was not too low a means to use to achieve the ends.
You can see it re-occuring today - the unceasing coverage of the reprehensible situation of Abu Ghraib that rarely mentions the fact that (just as with My Lai) it was soldiers, themselves, who began the inquiry, not the press. You can see it in the constant stream of sturm and drang regarding Iraq, even though soldiers on the ground and the citizens who live there tell an entirely different story.
It's the same socialist leaders behind the anti-military movement today as it was back then - look who's mentoring Iraqi Veterans Against the War - it's the old VVAW leadership, back with an old cause made new. It's the same leftist media battering us with nothing but the bad news, just as they did "back in the day."
Nothing new about this - except that we, the people, are better educated and better supplied with truth, today.
Never again will we allow the slander of a generation of soldiers. We stand with our older and younger brothers and sisters in arms - the veterans of the Vietnam era. There are millions of us who have had "enough!"
This November 2nd, we are pledged to make it a Veteran's Day like none other in our history.
We can never repay the vets of that era for the way they were treated when they came home. We can never make it up to them that they had to fight like no other generation of soldiers for acceptance back here "in the world."
But, we will at least repudiate the lies told about our brothers and sisters by voting against this fake "fighting man," John Fraud Kerry.
He said, "Bring it on!"
We brought it. Now, he cries for us to take it back.
Too late, John - it's already been brought, and more is arriving by the hour.
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BC
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| Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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Well said 3N
2 thumbs up 
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Barbie2004
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| Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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That is an excellent reply!
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debewley
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| Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 12:31 am Post subject: |
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I'm in with my e-mail!
Sirs,
You make two unsupported and unsupportable claims in the first three paragraphs of the above referenced editorial.
First you insinuate that the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth are acting on behalf of the Republican Party. They are not. In fact they aren’t a great deal different than the country as a whole. Some of them are Republicans. Some of them are Democrats. Others are Independents or are registered to other political parties. Many of them have been apolitical until Mr. Kerry decided to seek the Presidency and use his service in Vietnam as a basis. What they share beyond their service in Vietnam is a belief that Mr. Kerry is indeed Unfit for Command. Have you even bothered to check the political affiliations of the members of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth? No, I didn’t think so.
Secondly you claim that the charges made by the Swift Boat Veterans “have mostly been proved false by the facts of the case”. Perhaps you could enlighten me as to exactly when this happened and where this proof can be found. I’ve researched this issue extensively. I’ve read this same ridiculous conclusion referenced in many places in the “news media” What I’ve not been able to find is any information anywhere that definitively refutes any claims the Swift Boat Veterans have made.
Have you or anyone on your staff even read Unfit for Command? Have you bothered interviewing any of the Swift Boat Veterans? How extensively have you researched this issue? Do you or anyone on your staff have the military and/or combat experience required to properly understand the issues involved? Do you even care to know the truth? Or are you just one more member of the “news media” that is too lazy and too biased to want to know the truth?
Sincerely,
David E. Bewley
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Bob Chamberlain
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| Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 1:02 am Post subject: |
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Great email David!! That pretty much kicks their backsides up around their shoulderblades. If that doesn't get their attention, nothing will.
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Navy_Navy_Navy
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| Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 1:51 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I’ve researched this issue extensively. I’ve read this same ridiculous conclusion referenced in many places in the “news media” What I’ve not been able to find is any information anywhere that definitively refutes any claims the Swift Boat Veterans have made. |
Ah, so true! But, alas.... we're just the pajama-clad coffee drinkers without the extensive "checks and balances" in place that C-BS has.
Good letter - not that you're going to change this particular opinion-writer's mind. They don't get much leftier than he. Unless you wanna go dig up Trotsky or Lenin or something. 
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