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army72
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Lockhart and Burkett. One is a sleaze bag with mental problems and the other is having seizures.
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Nutso
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| Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 11:06 am Post subject: |
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| Now we will have the MSM discrediting Burkett cause he is a nut case. Two weeks ago he was an unimpeachable source. Go figure. |
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rparrott21
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| My hope is they don't stop trying to bring people to justice for thing and just let it slind.....If this had been Bush, he'd had already been sent down the river. |
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Wynne
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| Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 11:43 am Post subject: |
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| SBVTSupporter wrote: | This could be interesting because Burkett is the one wild card that CBS and Kerry's campaign lackys may not be able to control. If they attack his credibility and sanity he may just start singing like a canary. It would be funny to see Kerry burned (pun intended) by the "scortched earth policy" his new advisors used so effectively on Clinton's behalf. I would call it poetic justice.  |
I just hope Burkett has a chance to talk and talk big and doesn't go the way of Jim MacDougall who had the sudden unexpected fatal 'heart attack' the day before he was supposed to testify against the Clintons or Vince Foster, who supposedly committed suicide, he was so 'upset' over his (supposed) part in Hillary's Travelgate mess.
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jataylor11
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I am not big on conspiracy theories ---- (butt monkey) but
Imagine that I am someone who wants to damage President Bush's re-election.
Imagine that I know about a news show producer (MAPES) who has been working on a the Bush TANG story for over 5 years.
Imagine that although all of President Bush's commanders speak favorably of him, documents released indicate that President Bush did fulfill his service obligation, and was honorably discharged I still desire this aspect of President Bush's history harm him.
Imagine that although for months I have been talking about President Bush being AWOL, failing to fulfill his service obligation, obtaining favortism -- my story is not getting any traction against the President.
Imagine that I determine what I need are documents that "prove" these court-martial(able) offenses and favortism.
Imagine there is a guy (Burkett) out there saying documents were destroyed and files were scrubbed.
Imagine this guy is strident in his opposition to President Bush and blames his health problems on then Governor Bush. Image also this man has a history of mental problems.
Knowing that I can't produce these documents without a background story imagine that I arrange for documents that support my position to appear in this "questionable" guys hands.
Imagine a mystery woman (Lucy) calls Burkett and tells him she has documents that damage Bush.
Imagine these documents are handed off to Burkett in an unbelievable fashion (shadowy unknown figure at the Houston LiveStock show). This method of hand-off only damages Burkett because he already has a history of claiming conspiracies.
Who could I be? |
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ccr
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The bottom line is really simple: Burkett just tied the documents, 60 Minutes and the Kerry campaign together with this part of the FWST story:
| Quote: | Burkett, a West Texas rancher and known critic of Bush, denied that his work with CBS was done at the behest of Democrat John Kerry's presidential campaign.
He said, however, that during the meeting in which he gave the documents to CBS, he was also told by a producer that his phone number would be passed on to Kerry adviser Joe Lockhart.
"I was absolutely and clearly told that that was as far as anyone could go without crossing the line of [journalistic] ethics," Burkett said.
During a single phone conversation with Lockhart, Burkett said he suggested a "couple of concepts on what I thought [Kerry] had to do" to beat Bush. In return, he said, Lockhart tried to "convince me as to why I should give them the documents."
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This will continue to keep this story alive.
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vietnamvet173
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| ccr wrote: | The bottom line is really simple: Burkett just tied the documents, 60 Minutes and the Kerry campaign together with this part of the FWST story:
This will continue to keep this story alive. |
The key word in this story is recall. No one who has a converstaion of this magnitude could in a few short weeks not be able to recall what they said.
| Star Telegram Story wrote: | He said, however, that during the meeting in which he gave the documents to CBS, he was also told by a producer that his phone number would be passed on to Kerry adviser Joe Lockhart.
"I was absolutely and clearly told that that was as far as anyone could go without crossing the line of [journalistic] ethics," Burkett said.
During a single phone conversation with Lockhart, Burkett said he suggested a "couple of concepts on what I thought [Kerry] had to do" to beat Bush. In return, he said, Lockhart tried to "convince me as to why I should give them the documents."
According to the Associated Press, Lockhart said he listened to some campaign advice from Burkett for a few minutes and does not recall talking about Bush's National Guard records. |
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jataylor11
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All depends upon what the definition of is is. 
Clintonese strikes again. |
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shawa
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| Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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My question is: Was a payoff involved? Lockhart's phone call seemed
to be what spurred Burkett to give up the documents.
Follow the time line:
In mid-august Burkett gave 2 of the documents to CBS. HE WITHHOLDS
THE OTHER 4.
August 21st Burkett memo says he spoke to Max Cleland,
quote "I asked if they wanted to
counterattack or ride this to the ground and
outlast it, NOT SPENDING ANY MONEY.
[ Mr.Cleland] said counterattack. So I gave them the
information to do it with."
Did Burkett give CBS two memos but wanted MONEY to relinquish the
other four?
August 25th Cleland is in Texas.
Four days later Burkett posts "We have reassembled" the Bush files.
Sept 4th, Lockhart called Burkett.
Sept. 5th Burkett gave the remaining four documents to CBS.
See http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=3866
There was some reason that Lockhart had to call Burkett!
Was it to threaten or to pay him? Either way, Burkett better
watch his back |
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Richard Christiansen
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| Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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Where is the FBI or some law enforcement for crying out loud? Who forged the documents?
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shawa
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The FBI does not get involved unless they are directed to do so.
CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS ARE THE ONLY WAY TO FIND THE TRUTH.
The two member panel appointed by CBS is only reviewing the PROCESS.
Nothing will come from this except a slap on the wrist to CBS for sloppy journalism.
Reporters chasing the story cannot seize phone records, get the
sworn truth from witnesses interviewed, etc.
FEDERAL CRIMES have been committed here--Forged government
documents, Fraud to influence an election, transmission of fraudulent
documents, and I am sure much more.
A Congressional Hearing into Rathergate is the only way.
They have the authority to call witnesses: RATHER,MAPES,CLELAND,
and LOCKHART. Place them UNDER OATH where the are forced to
tell the truth or face perjury charges. Also. they can seize
PHONE RECORDS to find what all these phone calls were about.
LETS DEMAND THAT CONGRESS HOLD HEARINGS TO INVESTIGATE
THE FEDERAL CRIMES COMMITTED.
Contact your Representative!!!!
http://www.house.gov/writerep |
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BenDeR
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Just heard that the newpaper has retracted this part of the story. Anybody have more details?
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Wynne
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Burkett's former lawyer called Linda Vester/Dayside on FOX to tell them the story was false and the newspaper had retracted it. He says he read about it 'on line' and right away knew it was false and called Burkett and asked his permission to call the paper and FOX. Pretty fishy, if you ask me. Somebody has gotten to the 'former lawyer'. (He says he is no longer Burkett's lawyer because of 'health reasons'. Right. I'll bet.)
... btw, it wasn't David Van Os. It was a different, long name ...
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Richard Christiansen
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| Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="shawa"]"The FBI does not get involved unless they are directed to do so.
CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS ARE THE ONLY WAY TO FIND THE TRUTH"
I'm certainly no expert, but I think tampering with a mailbox is also a federal crime as are many things, and it seems to me a Congressional investigation is a long drawn out process, like beating a dead horse. How about some DA or somebody that has the authority request an investigation and get on with it before the culprits have all their ducks in a row in terms of alibis, smokescreens, etc.
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