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BuffaloJack
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BuffaloJack
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Navy_Navy_Navy
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Thank God it's surfaced and none of the crew have been seriously hurt!
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jataylor11
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| Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Canada wants help? Interesting. I am sure the US responded --- but it won't matter to many of the Canadians |
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BuffaloJack
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It doesn't matter what country when it's a ship at sea and it's broadcast a May Day.
All sailors are bothers no matter what nationality.
It happens that British ships were the closest and were able to offer aid.
This is coincident. It wouldn't have mattered if it were a North Korean vessel and John Kerry was aboard, aid would have been given by the closest vessels available. It's Naval tradition.
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wwIIvetsdaughter
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Buffalo is 100% correct, now only if the Russians had asked for help during the Kurst incident, maybe some lives would of been saved. Help among Nations though is a different thing, where were our so-called allies France and Germany on this Iraq thing? Hhmmmm? I like the line from I believe the WSJ, on the topic of France giving assistance to the USA: Were here when we need you!  |
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BuffaloJack
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RogerRabbit
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Rich
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[quote="RogerRabbit"]A crewman of the stricken submarine has died
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2004/10/06/newhmcschicoutimi041006.html[/quote
Oh why were they messing around with it then? They should have gotten him off that boat as soon as he got hurt. There is a very sad state of affairs in the British and especially the Canadian Navy nowdays. The Canadian Navy especially is a shadow of its former proud self and the Brits are in a drawn down state prior to new Destroyers,Subs, and aircraft carrier classes coming on line. The Canadian Navy has largly become a frigate navy.
We should all say a prayer for the Canadians on that boat, and for the man who died. While their country is ran be even bigger mush-heads then our own liberals the Canadian military are still our brothers and sisters...............................Rich
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It looks like he was airlifted off as soon as possible, along with two others - all of them being treated for smoke inhalation.
http://newsfromrussia.com/world/2004/10/07/56472.html
| Quote: | A British helicopter lifted three injured crewmen from a crippled Canadian submarine on Wednesday as it drifted in heavy seas off the Irish coast after its engines were knocked out by a serious fire, officials said.
"The helicopter took off three members of the crew who had suffered from the effects of smoke inhalation and flew them to Ireland," said a Canadian Navy spokeswoman.
HMCS Chicoutimi, one of four used submarines that Canada bought from Britain, was on its maiden voyage on Tuesday from Scotland to Canada when the fire forced it to the surface. Nine crew members were treated for smoke inhalation. |
http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/1004/07submarine.html
| Quote: | Electrical fire aboard Canadian submarine kills crew member
Associated Press
Published on: 10/06/04
LONDON — A sailor injured in a fire that disabled a Canadian submarine died Wednesday while being airlifted to a British hospital. The diesel-powered submarine drifted in the Atlantic as British ships battled through rough weather to reach the remaining 54 crew members on board.
Officials had initially described the Tuesday electrical fire aboard the HMCS Chicoutimi as small. But Commodore Tyrone Pile, commander of the Canadian Atlantic Fleet, said Wednesday it was "a major fire" that was worse than first thought.
Britain's military airlifted Lt. Chris Saunders and two other injured sailors from the vessel earlier Wednesday. Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin said Saunders had died during the airlift but provided no further details.
"He gave his life serving his country, and we owe his family our deepest condolences," Martin told Canada's House of Commons in Ottawa. "We pay him homage and we make known our deep respect to his family."
Rescuers had intended to take the three injured men to a hospital in Londonderry, Northern Ireland, but had to change course to Sligo, in the Republic of Ireland, because Saunders' condition deteriorated and he needed immediate treatment.
Lawmakers in Ottawa observed a moment of silence in honor of Saunders, a father of two.
There was no immediate word on the condition of the two other crew members brought to Sligo for treatment, but the hospital said they were able to walk. Canadian officials said a total of nine people had suffered smoke inhalation from the blaze.
The six others did not require hospitalization and remained aboard the submarine, adrift about 115 miles northwest of Ireland. No injuries were reported among the remaining members of a crew that originally numbered 57.
Three British naval vessels and two tug boats planned to tow the sub to a Scottish naval base, but a Canadian naval officer said rough seas might delay any attempt get a tow line to the vessel until Friday.
The lead rescue ship, frigate HMS Montrose, reached the Chicoutimi on Wednesday, and pulled alongside to drop off medical staff and supplies and assess the damage, the Ministry of Defense said in London.
"They've got emergency lighting on board. It is probably going to get a little bit cold, but they have sufficient blankets and other means to keep warm on board the submarine," Pile said. "It's going to be uncomfortable with the movement of the sea."
An Irish naval vessel, LE Roisin, tried to reach the sub Wednesday but turned back after being damaged in heavy seas, the Irish Defense Forces said.
Another British ship laden with food and fuel and carrying a medical team and helicopter was also on the way.
Laviolette said the submarine likely would be towed back to the Clyde naval base in Scotland.
Pile said the blaze damaged the commanding officer's cabin and an electrical equipment room on a separate deck. A second separate small fire broke out in an oxygen generator but it was quickly smothered, he said.
The Chicoutimi, a diesel-powered patrolling submarine formerly called HMS Upholder, was turned over to the Canadian navy on Saturday and had been on its way from Britain to the Canadian port of Halifax, Nova Scotia.
The incident has highlighted concerns about four secondhand subs Canada recently purchased from Britain.
A deal for the four Victoria-class submarines was agreed in 1998, but the handover experienced lengthy delays amid escalating costs and technical problems. Critics say the subs have a checkered history, cost too much and were not in good shape.
The submarines were originally built in the late 1980s and early 1990s for the British navy. They were mothballed in 1994 when Britain decided to stick with an all-nuclear submarine force.
It is the last of the subs to be delivered to Canada, but making them operational has been delayed by the need to repair cracks found in key valves after the vessels were brought out of storage.
The Times newspaper reported last week that the four submarines had been "dogged by serious malfunctions and corrosion." |
At least they are surfaced and not stuck on the bottom of the ocean.
I hope they get the rest of those guys off of there and into warm conditions, soon.
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BuffaloJack
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| Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 1:54 am Post subject: |
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We mourn the loss of a fellow sailor and pray for the safety of the 54 remaining with the stricken vessel.
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RogerRabbit
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| Quote: | | They should have gotten him off that boat as soon as he got hurt. |
Perhaps you have not been in the N Atlantic this time of year in the area where the sub was floundering - Seas are very heavy.If you had then you would understand. We should not critisize their efforts - as seamen I will bet they wewe doing their best to save their mates as we would do.
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Anker-Klanker
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| Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 2:12 am Post subject: |
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| It's probably much worse than most of you think. Modern-day submarines are not designed to operate on the surface (except for relatively calm waters in port). |
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Navy_Navy_Navy
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Thanks, Buffalo. 
RogerRabbit and Anker-Clanker - that's what I was afraid of - that it's worse than it looks. The one ship had to turn back due to damage done by the waters.
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subsailor 2
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The weather up off Scotland and the GI-UK gap during this time of year makes the "Perfect Storm" look tame. I've stood my fair share of OOD watches on the bridge of an SSBN transiting into Holy Loch and it is not a pleasant experience being belted in to avoid being washed away. You still get slammed around (I have a six inch scar in my lower back to prove the point) because of the wave action. The bridge of an SSBN is about 20 feet above the waterline and with 30 foot waves there is no place to hide.
I was the diving officer aboard USS Trout when we had a control room fire and a loss of all AC power. The smoke from the AC transformers is quite acrid and it was hours before I could take a deep breath. I can identify with the Canadians because their problem was probably something similar.
Their government may suck but I'd pull liberty with their boat sailors in a heartbeat. |
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