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Me#1You#10
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 Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 11:40 pm Post subject: "What Kerry Lacks" |
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No "charisma, charm, or sex appeal." How 'bout no credibility, honesty or scruples?
| Quote: | What John Kerry lacks
Thursday, June 10, 2004 - Page A22
Globe & MAil
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First, the man. Whatever Bill Clinton had in abundance -- call it charisma, charm or sex appeal -- Mr. Kerry lacks to an equal degree. Even in his home state, observers say, the senator is respected rather than liked, let alone loved. Whereas Mr. Clinton as president struggled to keep his humanity in check, Mr. Kerry at times seems barely human. His "band of brothers" routine, in which former Vietnam comrades-in-arms praise his leadership and character, is politically effective. But it's no substitute for likeability. Even Mr. Bush, charisma-challenged in his own right, appears more comfortable in his skin.
Next, the message. As a Democrat facing a war president, Mr. Kerry has sought to capitalize on his Vietnam war heroism, which contrasts starkly with Mr. Bush's spotty attendance in the Texas Air National Guard. However, his fellow veterans don't seem to be hearing Mr. Kerry's message. Polls show they overwhelmingly prefer Mr. Bush, by 54 per cent to 40. (Way too low a percentage...we have a lot of work to do)
That may be because of Mr. Kerry's astonishingly clumsy handling of his anti-war activities after he returned from Vietnam, including the question of whether he actually threw away his medals (he didn't). Or it may be because veterans simply don't know where he stands. Mr. Kerry supported the decision to go to war in Iraq, then voted against appropriations for the reconstruction. The Democratic nominee now insists America must stay the course. But many Republicans, whose votes he needs to win the presidency, will wonder whether he means it.
At the same time, many left-leaning Democrats are increasingly uncomfortable with Mr. Kerry's hawkishness, which they deem too close to the White House. They see critics such as Mr. Dean and Mr. Gore spitting fire at Mr. Bush's foreign policy, on which he has based his entire bid for re-election, while Mr. Kerry holds back.
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kyleparr
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| Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Americans prefer Kerry 51 percent to 44 percent in the latest Presidential poll. |
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BrianC
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| Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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Globe & Mail = Routinely Left-leaning.
They're trying their hardest to show Kerry in a good light, but this article just can't get there.
IT's like they say, you can't polish a turd. |
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SOnioins
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 12:01 am Post subject: If you can call it that |
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Kyle the poll you are referring to was telephone calls to 1230 registered voters nation wide. Now the last time I checked there are MILLIONS more registered voters in the US. That poll is crap just like ALL of them if they do not take every single person that votes in the US into account.
That would then be...maybe an election
Here is the last paragragh of the article:
"The Times telephone poll surveyed 1,230 registered voters nationwide from Saturday to Tuesday. The margin of sampling error was plus or minus 3 percentage points." |
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kyleparr
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 12:18 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | That poll is crap just like ALL of them if they do not take every single person that votes in the US into account.
That would then be...maybe an election |
Actually, that is not an election in the US. We are under the system of an electoral college.
Bush lost the popular vote by 500,000 votes in 2000. Obviously, they did not count. |
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Navy_Navy_Navy
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 12:26 am Post subject: Re: If you can call it that |
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| SOnioins wrote: |
"The Times telephone poll surveyed 1,230 registered voters nationwide from Saturday to Tuesday. The margin of sampling error was plus or minus 3 percentage points." |
Which could make the poll, "Kerry 48, Bush 47."
Too close for comfort. We've got a lot of work to do.
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SOnioins
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 12:27 am Post subject: |
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I do know that we operate under the Electoral College (which I personally disagree with). I was referring to the only 100% accurate poll would be to ask everyone who votes.
1230 registered voter through out the nation on a "poll" should not even be considered worth publishing. But then again look at who had it up as "news" |
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kyleparr
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 12:31 am Post subject: |
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| Statistically, 1230 people, as a random sample can be very accurate. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 12:55 am Post subject: |
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retracted
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kyleparr
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 1:18 am Post subject: |
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| Wow, obviously not stat/student. I will not even get into it. |
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nakona
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 1:34 am Post subject: |
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| kyleparr wrote: | | Wow, obviously not stat/student. I will not even get into it. |
OK wiseguy...
You cited the poll.
(Did you know it was done by the Los Angeles Times, which is famous for their projection of Bustamente as winner by a landslide in the recent Kalifornistan gubenatorial recall election?)
If you want to play the statistics card, then you can post up the methodology, error factor, and statistical pool.
And don't forget to post the question(s) and context.
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LewWaters
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 3:08 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Americans prefer Kerry 51 percent to 44 percent in the latest Presidential poll. |
According to the polls, Americans preferred Dewey over Truman by a large margin too, back in 1948. However, even after the headlines had been printed that Dewey had won, Truman woke up to find he was elected.
My point? Polls this far out don't mean much, other than trying to sway public opinion. Polls can be and have been manipulated.
You trust the polls, I'll trust the people who have yet to see what a sleazeball Kerry is. |
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Navy_Navy_Navy
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 3:11 am Post subject: |
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Here's a link to a little less biased poll - Zogby.
Hopeful, but we've still got lots of work to do. 
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=832
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nakona
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 3:39 am Post subject: |
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It wont matter anyway. The election will be decided by events in October.
The general public will either notice the economy is back or they wont.
(Although, economic polling is reporting that that process is already occurring and should be finished by then)
But of course, the REAL decider will be events involving terrorism in general and Iraq in particular.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 4:01 am Post subject: |
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| nakona wrote: | It wont matter anyway. The election will be decided by events in October.
The general public will either notice the economy is back or they wont.
(Although, economic polling is reporting that that process is already occurring and should be finished by then)
But of course, the REAL decider will be events involving terrorism in general and Iraq in particular. |
Rassmussen Reports is a very good relatively unbiased polling organization that uses technology in such a way as to minimize personal biases. Check it out. They do 500 voters every a day of the week and calculate 3 and 7 day rolling averages. Everyone else is 1 shot periodic.
Today's raw numbers 45% to 45%
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/index.htm
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