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[Anker-Klanker]

Let's boil this thing down to its essentials. Satellites prove that there were facilities there just before the war. Shortly thereafter the facilities are all gone. Now who would have the organization and manpower and all that to remove the facilities - "entire buildings"? Last I heard thief in the street was mainly interested in stripping the place of anything valuable, and nothing more.

Satellites did not see some the equipment they discuss later on in the article; they couldn't. It's a deliberate mish-mash of information.

I think there's much more here than meets the eye. Don't let the spin throw a smokescreen in front of us.

[azpatriot]

Sorry but I just don't see this desperate attempt by the MSM as a bad thing for Bush, after all, all he would have to say is “Thank you for backing me up” and If "France, Germany, and Russia” were all that worried about it then why didn’t they commit troops to go help out?

Pop goes the Weasels
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[Rdtf]

the world Tribune article either has a date wrong or this satellite view was taken after the war started - we hit them in March..

The briefing contained satellite photographs that demonstrated the speed with which Saddam dismantled his missile and WMD sites before and during the war. Council members were shown photographs of a ballistic missile site outside Baghdad in May 2003, and then saw a satellite image of the same location in February 2004, in which facilities had disappeared.

[twicearound]

Dulfer spent 900 million and found nothing, except the readiness to do it as soon as sanctions were lifted. He went over the country with a fine tooth comb. Seems a little strange in light of this. Just so burnt by MSM. They only seem to break stories that benefit Kerry.
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[Mary Ann Parker]

My take is the media at large have broadcast and printed
so much regurgitated BS for so LONG now (pre-Swiftees)
that they are in the same boat as KERRY! (Pun intended)

If they report revelatory information in an aggressive way
they look just like KERRY!!
WRONG, WRONG, WRONG

The media today is made up of celebrity personalities!
You know, like movie stars, athletes etc.

It is a rare sight or sound to hear or see them admit
mistakes. Plus THEY always have these anonymous
people behind the scenes to blame. You know...
like Kerry!

We have to stay the course, tireless, repetitive, committed,
truthful and in the end graciously enjoy the victory!

I just fell off my box!

I love you one and all.
Make it a very swift day.
Mary Ann Parker

[Rdtf]

CNN Headline News are about to talk about this after commercial- it is now 11:30 eastern time...

[Rdtf]

[Rdtf]

Ok- I am on a daily email list from the author Laurie Mylroie - she just sent this out from the Jerusalem Post from the Associated Press (not Reuters..) Note what is in bold..

Jerusalem Post
Oct. 11, 2004 23:36
IAEA: Equipment for making nukes missing from Iraq
By ASSOCIATED PRESS

The UN nuclear watchdog expressed concern Monday at the disappearance of
high-precision equipment from Iraq's nuclear facilities that could be used
to make nuclear weapons.

In a letter to the UN Security Council, the head of the International Atomic
Energy Agency said some industrial material that Iraq sent overseas has been
located in other countries but not high-precision items including milling
machines and electron beam welders that have both commercial and military
uses.

"As the disappearance of such equipment and materials may be of
proliferation significance, any state that has information about the
location of such items should provide IAEA with that information," said the
agency's director-general, Muhammad El-Baradei.

IAEA inspectors left Iraq just before the March 2003 US-led war. US
President George W. Bush's administration then barred UN weapons inspectors
from returning, deploying US teams in an unsuccessful search for Iraqi
weapons of mass destruction.

Nonetheless, IAEA teams were allowed into Iraq in June 2003 to investigate
reports of widespread looting of storage rooms at the main nuclear complex
at Tuwaitha, and in August to take inventory of "several tons" of natural
uranium in storage near Tuwaitha.El-Baradei told the council that Iraq is still obligated, under IAEA
agreements, "to declare semi-annually changes that have occurred or are
foreseen at sites deemed relevant by the agency." But since March 2003 "the
agency has received no such notifications or declarations from any state,"
he said.

As a result of the IAEA's ongoing review of satellite photos and follow-up
investigations, El-Baradei said, "the IAEA continues to be concerned about
the widespread and apparently systematic dismantlement that has taken place
at sites previously relevant to Iraq's nuclear program and sites previously
subject to ongoing monitoring and verification by the agency."

"The imagery shows in many instances the dismantlement of entire buildings
that housed high precision equipment ... formerly monitored and tagged with
IAEA seals, as well as the removal of equipment and materials (such as
high-strength aluminum) from open storage areas," he said.

In a report to the Security Council in early September, the UN Monitoring,
Verification and Inspection Commission, which is charged with overseeing the
elimination of any banned Iraqi missile, chemical and biological weapons
programs, also expressed concern about the disappearance of tagged
equipment.

Demetri Perricos, head of the commission, known as UNMOVIC, said Iraqi
authorities for over a year have been shipping thousands of tons of scrap
metal out of the country, including at least 42 engines from banned missiles
and other equipment that could be used to produce banned weapons.

The report said the export was handled by the Iraqi Ministry of Trade, which
was under the direct supervision of US occupation authorities until June 28,
when the Americans handed power to Iraq's interim government.

El-Baradei told the council that Iraq's Minister of Science and Technology
Rashad Omar visited IAEA headquarters in Vienna in July to discuss the
implementation of various Security Council resolutions. This was followed by
a number of letters and another visit in September by a ministry delegation,
which submitted a number of requests for assistance.

He told the council Iraq asked for IAEA assistance in selling the remaining
nuclear material at Tuwaitha "with the exception of a small quantity to be
retained for research purposes" and in dismantling and decontaminating
former nuclear facilities. The interim Iraqi government also asked for the
resumption of IAEA technical cooperation in a number of areas previously
approved by the Security Council, he said.

"The agency is assessing the possibility of providing such assistance,"
El-Baradei said.






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[shawa]

El-Baradei told the council that Iraq's Minister of Science and Technology
Rashad Omar visited IAEA headquarters in Vienna in July to discuss the
implementation of various Security Council resolutions. This was followed by a number of letters and another visit in September by a ministry delegation, which submitted a number of requests for assistance.

He told the council Iraq asked for IAEA assistance in selling the remaining
nuclear material at Tuwaitha "with the exception of a small quantity to be
retained for research purposes" and in dismantling
and decontaminating former nuclear facilities.
The interim Iraqi government also asked for the
resumption of IAEA technical cooperation in a number of areas previously
approved by the Security Council, he said.

"The agency is assessing the possibility of providing such assistance,"
El-Baradei said.

OK. Something doesn't make sense here.
In the Reuters article, ElBaradei is saying that the site has
disappeared. But in the Mylroie article, the Iraq Minister was in Vienna
in September (just weeks ago) asking his help in
dismantling and disposing of the facilities. ElBaradei
says he isassessing the possibilityof providing assistance.

So when did he discover the site had disappeared. Why would he
be considering providing assistance if he already knew the site had disappeared.
And why would the Iraq Minister
be asking for assistance for a site that has disappeared.

Does this make any sense?

[truthserum]

[CandiM]

[truthserum]

[Rdtf]

I don't get the inconsistencies or motives either. I hope someone will, and tell us all.

[8dayweek]

[twicearound]

Thanks 8dayweek for that perspective. Your insight is most likely right, based on the report. I would not trust the info given by those in custody. To say they had no WMD would hurt the guy that put them in custody. In light of this and Duelfer not having access would seem to put in suspect the total accuracy of his assessment. I believe there was WMD and most likely still is some in lieu of the CNS docs persuming they are accurate. I wish the smoke screen that covers all of this be blown away. The dems only focus on the first half of Duelfer's report, and resist the rest. The desire to lift sanctions so as to reinstitute WMD programs. I digress.

Now back to the subject at hand, Drudge put the London article on his sight and I sent him an email of the Jerusalem article, which I felt had a different perspective. Interesting there is something on this there but not the CNS docs.
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