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95 bxl Seaman
Joined: 07 May 2004 Posts: 179
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 6:15 pm Post subject: Kerry supporters: Can't ANYONE answer the question? |
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I asked in another thread, and none of you have answered: What would it take for Kerry supporters to stop their support?
Now, we already know that most veterans, by a huge number, support Bush. But that aside... what would it take for you Kerry supporters to change your positions?
Is there ANYTHING that could be in his past that would get you to reconsider? Is there ANY action or activity he could have done that would cause you to re-evaluate your position? |
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carpro Admin
Joined: 10 May 2004 Posts: 1176 Location: Texas
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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Good luck 95. This forum is populated by Bush haters, not Kerry supporters. Kerry's past just does not matter to them. _________________ "If he believes his 1971 indictment of his country and his fellow veterans was true, then he couldn't possibly be proud of his Vietnam service." |
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fortdixlover Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
Joined: 12 May 2004 Posts: 1476
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 6:36 pm Post subject: Re: Kerry supporters: Can't ANYONE answer the question? |
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95 bxl wrote: | I asked in another thread, and none of you have answered: What would it take for Kerry supporters to stop their support?
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John Kerry applying for a Marriage Licence in Massachusetts with Osama Bin Laden. |
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Morto Seaman Recruit
Joined: 29 May 2004 Posts: 46 Location: Puerto Vallarta, Mexico
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, if Kerry told the truth about his true beliefs the only ones that would still vote for him are the communists, anarchists, and watermelons in the Kuchinich/Nader/Dean camp.
Morto _________________ "History tells us that appeasement does not lead to peace. It invites an aggressor to test the will of a nation unprepared to meet that test." --Ronald Reagan |
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mikest PO2
Joined: 11 May 2004 Posts: 377
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Now, we already know that most veterans, by a huge number, support Bush. But that aside... what would it take for you Kerry supporters to change your positions? |
Wrong
Quote: | Base
Bush has seen some erosion among parts of his base. His job approval rating is down by eight points among men since last month, down by seven points among Republicans and down by 11 points among conservatives. (Women, Democrats, independents, liberals and moderates are virtually unchanged.) It's also down by seven points among those who say Iraq is the most important issue in their vote, and in veteran households.
Some of this has translated to the horse race. Men were +13 for Bush last month; now they divide almost evenly. Conservatives were +53 for Bush; now they're +36. Veteran households were +10 for Bush; now they divide about evenly |
http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/Polls/bush_iraq_poll_040524.html |
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LewWaters Admin
Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 4042 Location: Washington State
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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LOL, left-leaning ABC News?
The very same ABC News that, back in February, put up the following on their website in the political commentary section, The Note;
"Like every other institution, the Washington and political press corps operate with a good number of biases and predilections.
"They include, but are not limited to, a near-universal shared sense that liberal political positions on social issues like gun control, homosexuality, abortion, and religion are the default, while more conservative positions are 'conservative positions.'
"They include a belief that government is a mechanism to solve the nation's problems; that more taxes on corporations and the wealthy are good ways to cut the deficit and raise money for social spending and don't have a negative affect on economic growth; and that emotional examples of suffering (provided by unions or consumer groups) are good ways to illustrate economic statistic stories. ...
"The press, by and large, does not accept President Bush's justifications for the Iraq war – in any of its WMD, imminent threat, or evil-doer formulations. It does not understand how educated, sensible people could possibly be wary of multilateral institutions or friendly, sophisticated European allies.
"It does not accept the proposition that the Bush tax cuts helped the economy by stimulating summer spending.
"It remains fixated on the unemployment rate.
"It believes President Bush is 'walking a fine line' with regards to the gay marriage issue, choosing between 'tolerance' and his 'right-wing base.'
"It still has a hard time understanding how, despite the drumbeat of conservative grass-top complaints about overspending and deficits, President Bush's base remains extremely and loyally devoted to him – and it looks for every opportunity to find cracks in that base.
"Of course, the swirling Joe Wilson and National Guard stories play right to the press's scandal bias – not to mention the bias towards process stories (grand juries produce ENDLESS process!).
"The worldview of the dominant media can be seen in every frame of video and every print word choice that is currently being produced about the presidential race."
And now, you would have us believe any objectiveness they may have? |
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mikest PO2
Joined: 11 May 2004 Posts: 377
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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Don't like the results? This is two basic questions. Who do you support and are you a veteran? Kind of hard to add bias there. |
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LewWaters Admin
Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 4042 Location: Washington State
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | This is two basic questions. Who do you support and are you a veteran? Kind of hard to add bias there. |
Sure you want to go there, Mike?
As for me, I support Bush over Kerry any day.
Am I a veteran? Does June 1969 to December of 1970 (Actually didn't lift off from Cam Rhan until the morning of January 1, 1971) serving with C Troop 7/17th Air Cav all over the Central Highlands count?
As for bias, I'm not the media. I'm just a veteran working to support myself as a mechanic, raised two daughters who now have families of their own and am sick of being spoon fed garbage in the name of news by the predominantly leftist media. |
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Greenhat LCDR
Joined: 09 May 2004 Posts: 405
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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mikest wrote: | Don't like the results? This is two basic questions. Who do you support and are you a veteran? Kind of hard to add bias there. |
Bush, and yes, I am a veteran. _________________ De Oppresso Liber |
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mikest PO2
Joined: 11 May 2004 Posts: 377
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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You guys having a hard time following a series of posts? It was regarding the poll by ABC/Washington Post. Veterans support is about evenly split between Bush and Kerry. |
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Greenhat LCDR
Joined: 09 May 2004 Posts: 405
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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mikest wrote: | You guys having a hard time following a series of posts? It was regarding the poll by ABC/Washington Post. Veterans support is about evenly split between Bush and Kerry. |
Problem is that isn't the questions asked (as evidenced by the way the breakdown is provided). Veteran household is not the same as veteran. _________________ De Oppresso Liber |
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hist/student Lieutenant
Joined: 09 May 2004 Posts: 243
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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retracted
Last edited by hist/student on Sat Jul 24, 2004 1:36 am; edited 1 time in total |
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LewWaters Admin
Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 4042 Location: Washington State
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Veterans support is about evenly split between Bush and Kerry. |
Funny, everywhere I read, it's about 3 to 1 against Kerry from Vietnam vets.
Quote: | LATEST PRESIDENTIAL POLL RESULTS, VIETNAM VETS
This is an ongoing poll. Please send any data to Magruder44@aol.com.
Results as of May 27, 2004:
GROUPS WITH DATA
§ 6 Vietnam vets this weekend at HS reunion, all oppose Kerry. Dan Haney - 602nd Air Commando Sq. A1 pilot ’67
§ Out of 45 Vietnam veterans... all say pooh on JFK...100%. powmiavets
§ Our heli-vets pol shows 160 against and 6 for Kerry. Ron Leonard, 25th Aviation Battalion
§ I know about 650 Vietnam vets and their attitude toward about Kerry is 100% negative. Dan Decker, TSgt. USAF (ret.)
§ I know thousands of vets .I would say the opinion is about 98% against Kerry. Tony Cartlidge-Vietnam Combat Marine, 1968
§ Of 27 Vietnam Veterans I know, including myself, not one is willing to vote for John Kerry. Charles Banto, USMC 1958-1974, 2 tours in Vietnam
§ 100,000 e-mails, almost all veterans, around 100 to 1 against Kerry. Don Bendell, Special Forces, Vietnam, 1968-69, noted author
§ Out of 25 guys,85%-95% against Kerry. Mike- mleonardos
§ 240 vets, mostly Vietnam, 85% against Kerry. Tony Newcomb, Cpt.U.S.Army (ret.)
§ Of the more than 2500 veterans of all ranks who responded, 59 took umbrage with what I had to say (against Kerry). Mark A. Smith, former POW, Vietnam, Holder, Distinguished Service Cross
§ An ongoing poll, with names and comments at 11thcavnam.com is running 16 for Bush, 4 for Kerry (80% for Bush.)
§ 12 Vietnam vets, all of whom are against John Kerry. Vietnam vet, Tom Taylor
§ I'd make the numbers 80 to 20 against Kerry. Philip Topps, Cpt. Inf.(ret), 1st Inf. Div. 69-70
§ 100 against Kerry - 0 for him. Storrs Warinner- F-4 pilot Ubon 67-68
§ A summary of individual votes sent in to V.V.A.R. is running 12 for Bush, 3 for Kerry.
GROUPS WITH NO DATA
§ Every vet we know is opposed to Kerry. Chuck and Mary Schantag, P.O.W. Network
§ Rangers are 100% against Kerry. NOATLMUS44 - President
§ Every veteran I've talked to is against Kerry. Major General Carl Snyder (ret.) , Air Force, Korea and Vietnam
§ I am anti-Kerry, as are most of my friends who are Vietnam veterans. Stud 369
§ I share the distrust I hear from my veteran colleagues. Peter McHugh, CW4 USA, ’67-’68, ’71-’72
§ I would say 90% of the military here (power plant) are against Kerry. P.Rein
This article may be reproduced in any form.
Leonard Magruder |
http://www.i-served.com/v-v-a-r.org/Bush-Kerry_POLL.html
Had Kerry and Democrats not decided to make Vietnam such a central focus in this election, he just might have held more support from vets. But, that's purely academic now.
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Speedy Seaman Apprentice
Joined: 25 May 2004 Posts: 77
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Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 12:27 am Post subject: |
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carpro wrote: | This forum is populated by Bush haters, not Kerry supporters | You might be on to something
I believe there is only 1 vet on here who is voting for Kerry.
I CAN'T vote for bush, but will cry if Kerry wins I dunno, maybe I'll vote for Bush when the due date arrives.... |
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LewWaters Admin
Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 4042 Location: Washington State
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Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 12:36 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | I CAN'T vote for bush, but will cry if Kerry wins |
Speedy, you can't have it both ways. Only the likes of Kerry can stand up and say with a straight face, "I actually voted for the $87 billion before I voted against it."
What with the system we have, not voting because you don't like a particular candidate is about the same as voting for his opponent. One thing we Americans need to always remember is that Hitler was initially elected due to extremely poor voter turnout. I'd hate to ever see anything like that happen here.
Until we can get another party as strong as the two dominant ones we have, we are stuck with only two real choices. If we don't make our voice heard (and that is regardless of which candidate we may support) we are allowing someone else to choose for us. It isn't a perfect system, but it's what we have for now. |
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