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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 9:22 pm    Post subject: America's War Reply with quote

THESE ARE TIMES when President Bush and Defense Secretary Rumsfeld could probably use some encouragement. They should ponder a short note by Anthony Eden to Winston Churchill. It was May 1941 and World War II was going badly. Churchill was Britain's Bush and Rumsfeld, prime minister and minister of defense. Eden was his foreign secretary and friend. There had been disasters in Greece and Crete, a discouraging naval battle with the warship Bismarck, and hard fighting in Iraq, where the British were battling Nazi-backed Rashid Ali and Luftwaffe bombers that were helping him out. "My dear Winston," Eden wrote, "This is a bad day; but tomorrow Baghdad will be entered, Bismarck sunk. On some day the war will be won, and you will have done more than any other man in history to win it."

By "tomorrow" he meant "soon"; his predictions all came true. But for now, it is indeed a bad day.

Too many Democrats and some Republicans are acting as if Abu Ghraib means that the Bush administration is in trouble. They are wrong. It means that America is in trouble. And when America is in trouble, every public official is required to help.

The bestial murder of Nicholas Berg has nothing to do with Abu Ghraib. Absolute evil is self-seeding; nothing causes it any more than we cause rats to spawn or the black plague to blossom. But certain conditions help it thrive--such as the worldwide seething toxic stink of America Hatred, or the ongoing struggle by so many thinkers (especially Europeans) to legitimize terrorism (all those torn-to-pieces Israeli innocents dismissed with a shrug or a smirk). Perhaps the murder of Berg--9/11 compressed into one single act, a black hole of infinite wickedness--will at last bring American moral showboating to an end. We all love to tell the world how much we care. It's so easy, so cheap. Perhaps we will now get serious.
Because of Abu Ghraib, America is (temporarily!) down and out and getting kicked in the head by every two-bit moralizing moron in the universe, while her thoughtful Euro-friends twist the knife by informing us that hundreds of dead American soldiers might just as well have stayed home; America's rule is no better than Saddam's. We need to hear from America's political leaders, loud and clear: "Yes, we abominate the Abu Ghraib crimes but will not accept your forgetting what America has paid to liberate Iraq, will not allow foreign nations to slander the United States, will not permit you to forget what we and the British have accomplished: a world without Saddam Hussein; a vastly safer, profoundly better world. And no one will be allowed to dishonor American soldiers and this nation by telling us 'you're just as bad as Saddam'; that lie will never go unchallenged."

We need to hear those things especially from Democrats. For the world to know that this nation is united, Democrats have to speak. They haven't. The message has not been delivered.

Let's go back a few weeks. What were we thinking? Maybe the war in Iraq was a mistake, or maybe it was fought the wrong way (I didn't think so, but many serious and discouraged Americans did)--but we all knew this for sure: Thanks to American and British sacrifice in money and blood, Saddam was gone and Iraq was on the road to being free, and we could all be proud of that. A blood-black stain on mankind's honor had been washed away.

Then some photographs appeared, and the world saw ugly crimes--crimes of the sort Americans particularly hate, bullying crimes of the strong against the weak. Of course it was right to denounce the criminals and demand investigations and accountability. Such sentiments were easy to express (how many people are in favor of prisoner abuse?), but public officials did need to express them. So far so good.

But there was something else these officials needed to express. "We will not tolerate the world's using the crimes at Abu Ghraib to smear America, or belittle the price we have paid in Iraq." In the prevailing climate of moral showboating, those sentiments were hard to express; and almost no one bothered.

The moment we saw those pictures we knew (every last American knew) that the punch in the gut is on the way. People who never cared a damn what Saddam did to his prisoners would be choking back tears of outrage. Americans hold themselves to a higher moral standard, of course. But most Americans suspected that the world's reaction had as much to do with America Hatred as it did with moral standards. We knew that people would forget what we have achieved in Iraq, and what it has cost us in arms and legs and eyes and blood. We knew our enemies would light into America and do their best to turn the world against us and against our troops--whom we had seen risking their lives to liberate Iraq and make it safe--not to mention the civilians who hazarded life and limb to get clean water flowing, oil pumping, power on, schools open, streets policed, the economy inching forward, and democracy coming steadily closer. We could all anticipate headlines like the one that appeared in the May 8 Irish Times: "The shaming of America. George Bush's boast of shutting down Saddam Hussein's torture chambers in Iraq rings hollow now." We knew our enemies would use those photos to smear our whole Army, our whole Iraq campaign, our whole nation. Much of the world (after all) operates on America Hate the way a car runs on gas or a tick on blood.

"The shaming of America. George Bush's boast of shutting down Saddam Hussein's torture chambers in Iraq rings hollow now." The hell it does. Anyone who equates Saddam's bloody decades of torture and mass murder to the crimes at Abu Ghraib is the same kind of fool who once preached the moral equivalence of America and Soviet Russia, or of America in Vietnam and Hitlerism. Imbecility is eternal, perpetually reincarnated.

And it's hardly irrelevant that the Army did discover and announce the crimes itself. No one had to order any generals to investigate and prosecute the criminals. That was already happening. No cover-up; no chance of the criminals escaping. The military's record in recent years suggests that the opposite danger is more acute: Innocent soldiers might be punished because of a runaway public relations steamroller. Remember Tailhook and the naval careers it destroyed to make ideologues happy?

Think back to 9/11--America was in trouble; possibly official malfeasance was a factor, no one knew; but we did know that it was the duty of every U.S. public leader to speak for America, right away. (As someone shouted during the parliamentary hour-of-crisis debate that led to Churchill's promotion to the premiership: Speak for England!) And U.S. public leaders, Republican and Democrat, did speak for America. The country was proud to see Gephardt and Daschle roaming around with Lott and Hastert. The Democrats had lost the White House, but rose to the occasion. The world noticed; the nation was grateful.

When Abu Ghraib broke, America was in trouble again. Once again she needed all her government officials to do their duty, all public persons to stand up and defend her. But last week was no 9/11. The Democrats did not rise. They sunk. No one blamed them for condemning the criminals and demanding investigations. But we needed to hear more, and we didn't. Senator Tom Daschle said, "I think that is inexcusable. It's an outrage. It's wrong." And Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi said, "We must have a full investigation to get to the bottom of this outrage." And Senator Carl Levin said, "The actions of these individuals have jeopardized members of the Armed Services in the conduct of their mission, and have jeopardized the security of this country." Which was all true. But it was not enough. And there was worse. Ted Kennedy, echoing America Hatred at its ugliest, said that "Saddam's torture chambers have reopened under new management, U.S. management." The world noticed; the nation was quietly heartbroken.

Republican smugness is not in order. It is a moment for Republicans to ask themselves: Have we ever, at any moment in recent decades, let the nation down like this?

I don't think so. But if somebody knows differently, tell me. (No crackpots, please.) This is not a time for party preening. It is one of the sadder moments in American history.

But as Anthony Eden reminds us: "Some day the war will be won."
THE PRESSURE on Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is fierce, because Abu Ghraib hit at a moment when many people were certain that the Iraq war had bogged down. And it had bogged down. It is in the nature of wars that they bog down occasionally. But that is no reason to sack the man who has run this stupendously complex, difficult operation with (on the whole) amazing success and integrity. Perhaps Rumsfeld and other Bush officials did not make quite clear enough beforehand that war is no picnic. But many Americans had already heard rumors to that effect. And the record will show that the secretary has in fact admitted (possibly under oath) that he is not perfect. Republicans who hint around that the defense secretary may indeed have to be cut up and thrown to the dogs are doing the nation no service.

Churchill got into parliamentary trouble repeatedly during the Second World War, but thank God the House of Commons did not sack him. In the Second World War, Britain did not merely bog down, she lost--early and often. If 1940 and '41 had their awful moments, 1942 started out worse. In January the House took up a no-confidence motion that could have deposed Churchill--British troops were reeling before the Japanese advance, and worse was to come. Before long Singapore fell, "the greatest disaster in British military history," Churchill called it; 130,000 British and Allied troops were taken prisoner. And later the same year Rommel captured the Libyan port of Tobruk: A British garrison of 35,000 men surrendered to a smaller Axis force. "One of the heaviest blows I can recall during the war," Churchill said. On such occasions Britain was discouraged, disheartened, humiliated. Yet somehow Parliament managed to restrain itself and not axe Churchill.

Churchill is one of history's greatest leaders, almost certainly its greatest minister of defense and a genius writer and orator. So far as we know, Bush is no Churchill and neither is Rumsfeld; they haven't been tried as Churchill was. But until a bona fide American Churchill comes along, they are doing fine.

David Gelernter is a contributing editor to The Weekly Standard.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ASPB...

I am sitting here literally numb from reading that piece.

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When Abu Ghraib broke, America was in trouble again. Once again she needed all her government officials to do their duty, all public persons to stand up and defend her. But last week was no 9/11. The Democrats did not rise. They sunk. No one blamed them for condemning the criminals and demanding investigations. But we needed to hear more, and we didn't. Senator Tom Daschle said, "I think that is inexcusable. It's an outrage. It's wrong." And Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi said, "We must have a full investigation to get to the bottom of this outrage." And Senator Carl Levin said, "The actions of these individuals have jeopardized members of the Armed Services in the conduct of their mission, and have jeopardized the security of this country." Which was all true. But it was not enough. And there was worse. Ted Kennedy, echoing America Hatred at its ugliest, said that "Saddam's torture chambers have reopened under new management, U.S. management." The world noticed; the nation was quietly heartbroken.


There is no discernable level to which Kennedy and his brethren will not stoop in an attempt to recover the political power that their vacuous "moral equivalency" has squandered, to include the denigration of this country and all it stands for. It is, quite simply, nauseating.

Nor should or will it be lost on the progenitors of the Swiftvet organization that this degree of ugliness and crass political opportunism has been seen before. The apple, truly, doesn't fall far from the tree.

Thanks for the post.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 10:14 pm    Post subject: Our war Reply with quote

Great post, ASPB! Many Americans don't believe we're at war or even that one is developing. I think they're at the point many Americans were at in 1939, before Hitler invaded Czechoslovakia and Poland, and Pearl harbor. If anybody wants to see the development of global jihad - which I believe is the main component of the war on terror, check out Jihad Watch:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/

Highly recommended - Semper Fi!
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Dennis Miller recently quipped on his show, if I might paraphrase....

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"So they put panties on some heads...at least they were still attached to some shoulders."
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Me#1You#10 wrote:
As Dennis Miller recently quipped on his show, if I might paraphrase....

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"So they put panties on some heads...at least they were still attached to some shoulders."


Don't ya just love the media though. The day after the funeral page 1 of the NY Slimes and Washrag are right back on Abu Ghraib. I'm beginning to think that we need press sedition laws. Lincoln thought so and was right.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What burns me up is that some people in our nation that have such intense hate for President Bush, his administration, and republicans/conservatives, but no hate at all or even anger at all the terrorist and terrorist groups that want to kill all of us, democrats, liberals and anti-war types included.

Talk about misguided souls! They want to hang, indict, impeach, prosecute, and kill those whom they hate, but they want to cow down to, give in to, and negoiate with the terrorists, or feel sorry for them.

Something ain't right here! Know what I mean, Vern?

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Me#1You#10 wrote:
APSB...

Nor should or will it be lost on the progenitors of the Swiftvet organization that this degree of ugliness and crass political opportunism has been seen before. The apple, truly, doesn't fall far from the tree.

Thanks for the post and could you include a link?


It was at the Weekly Standard site a couple of week ago. But now it's only available to subscribers. That's why I provided the entire article and not just a clip and a link.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2004 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RIGHT ON !!!!!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

>Very moving ASPB.

I guess that is why I am so pro-Bush is because of the likes of Pelosi, Kennedy, Daeschl and Kerry. When we were hit on 09-11 American came together, but what is really sad is that it only lasted as long as it took the ashes to settled in New York, DC and the fields of Philly. I see the likes of these so-called liberal democrats and my blood boils. It has made me so anti-liberal that there is nothing that would change my mind to ever vote for Kerry. I may not always agree with the republican party, but after watching the way the liberal democrats and the liberal media is so full of hatred I do not think I could ever vote for another democrat. I do not understand this negative aspect that the liberal media is pushing and why half of this population is buying it! I just do not understand how people can respect the likes of Dan Rather, Katie Couric, Tom Brokaw, and all the other liberal media. I am disappointed that our new media has really become a joke. It used to be the news would report and let you decide...now they slant the stories to their candidate's advantage.

I was rather disappointed when I saw the John Kerry was ahead in the polls today. I just could not image anyone voting for this man. I guess since I respect George Bush it is hard for me not to realize that other people can just hate him so much. I wonder what is going wrong with our society that people seem to be so mean and it seems to be all coming from the left...and where it used to be the far left it seems to me that it is more of what they call the center of the democrats. I see such hatred when ever I see Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy, Tom Daeschl and John Kerry. Then everyone once in a while I see the likes of a good man like Zell Miller, democrat from senator from GA, who is voting for George Bush. Not just because he is voting for George Bush, but because he realizes that we must stand together as a country and defeat terrorism. He is also not happy with the way the democratic party has gone. They have moved so far to the left and it just amazes me that 50% of our population either does not care or can't be bothered.

I just hope and pray that by November that the press will actually record the events truthfully, which I honestly doubt. We know that unemployment is low, but from the media you would not know that. Our economy is up, again from the media you would not know that. Where was any report that Bill and Hilary Clinton was caught on camera sleeping through President Reagan's funeral???? Not on the liberal media. I mean the service was only a hour long! Can they not have more respect than that. Otherwise stay home. I wonder if we are going to pull this election off because it seems to me that liberal media is not fully reporting the whole story, nor are they reporting the facts of this election. John Kerry and his liberal friends all seem to get a free ride to do and say what they want and anything negative he says is not reported. All of his flip flops and yet with President Bush we KNOW where he stands on just about every issue....even if we do disagree with him on some of them. But I still feel he is the better man.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Theresa,

Kerry may be ahead in the partisan polls but it's not necessarily so in the neutral ones like Scott Rasmussen's

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Saturday June 12, 2004--The latest Rasmussen Reports Presidential Tracking Poll shows President George W. Bush with 47% of the vote and Senator John F. Kerry with 44%.

This is the second straight day the Tracking Poll has shown Bush with a 3-point advantage. Neither candidate has been ahead by 3-or-more points on four consecutive days. Unless the "lead" is held for more than three days, it is probably statistical noise or a bounce from news coverage of the past week.

The Rasmussen Reports Presidential Tracking Poll is updated daily by noon Eastern.

Regardless of who voters want to win, 53% now believe that President Bush will be re-elected. Thirty-five percent (35%) believe Senator Kerry will triumph.

When it comes to the fundamental issues of Election 2004, War and the economy, voters gave President Bush a good week on both topics. Fifty-four percent (54%) now prefer Bush over Kerry on national defense issue and 49% prefer Bush to manage the economy. Both figures are the best the President has received in months.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, RiverRat, I needed that! Semper Fi!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And now trying to capitalize a little more from Reagans death, Kerry has challenged Bush on stem cell research. What an idiot. He just don't get it, Bush makes firm sound decisions and is not going to play a stupid who can get more from Reagans death game. Bush is against it in any fetus period!!! So am I!!!! Semper Fi.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm bumping this for the FNGs!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 2:19 pm    Post subject: Re: America's War Reply with quote

Abu Ghraib is a story that interests only the lunatic anti-war left and the media.

So a few poor dear terrorists had their widdle feelings hurt. The vast majority of Americans couldn't possibly care less.

That the Democrats insist on partisan naval gazing in a time of war only reinforces the image of them as far too irresponsible to trust with the defense of a nation.
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