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2ndamendsis · PO3 Joined: 08 Sep 2004 Posts: 288 Location: NJ

FYI

WABC radio & Steve Malzberg 1:50am eastern

Is talking about Lipscomb's article & Kerry's Possible Dishonorable Discharge Exclamation

NAVY CHIEF & TEAM......... Laughing

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ord33 · Rear Admiral Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 670 Location: Ohio

Malzberg is really ripping Kerry good for this, read the entire article on air! Doing a great job!

Said he is having Thomas Lipscomb on his show Sunday 10am.

twicearound · PO2 Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 362 Location: San Antonio

Kudos to Malzberg, emailed him along with dozens of others, maybe some of the cautious will come out of the closet. I am never up to hear him and will be gone Sunday. Please remember to fill us in. Been praying constantly for this. This should make it to News Max via Malzberg.
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xracer · Seaman Recruit Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 13

I checked the front page this morning and didn't see anything unusual. Did I miss something?

twicearound · PO2 Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 362 Location: San Antonio

They were referring to another day go to page one on the thread for understanding.
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KWJams · Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 3:32 am Post subject:

The problem is that if this is pushed too hard it can backfire and drive voters into Kerry's camp wanting to get away from the "mean and nasty right wing conspirators".

The thing is that the story is out there now. If it grows legs on its own then it will be cause substantial damage.
But, considering how much Kerry has been given a pass on already by the "anybody but Bush nuts" there is no guarantee that this will sway anyone since until the charge is refuted by Kerry signing a form 180, it is all appears to be just unsubstantiated charges.

Maybe -- someone could put a camera in front of Jimmy Carter and ask him if he fixed Kerry's discharge papers. Yeah -- fat chance!

Proceed with caution.

ashter · Seaman Joined: 22 Aug 2004 Posts: 185

I want to make sure I don't miss this... Thomas Lipscomb will be on the radio on Sunday at 1000 am EST?

Does anyone have a link to the site?

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drjohn · Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 2:02 pm Post subject:

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KWJams · Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 2:38 pm Post subject:

That is why I mentioned that maybe someone should ask Carter in front of a camera what he recalls about any public record of him restoring Kerry's security status and fixing his discharge records -- it would also be interesting to find out who made the request to Carter.... Senator Kennedy perhaps?

When a frontal assault fails -- we need to flank them.

Time to start looking at Carter's records when in office.

buffman · LCDR Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 437

There are plenty of people out there that can still be swayed.
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RMalloy · PO3 Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 280

Jimmy Carter has been annointed a Saint among the MSM.
He was just a rich peanut farmer when elected, now he is untouchable.
Remember the Mad Bunny incident?

Hondo · LCDR Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 423 Location: USA

Any veteran can request a replacement set of medals that he/she is authorized. The procedure varies from service to service. The NRPC web site at http://www.archives.gov/facilities/mo/st_louis/military_personnel_records/awards_and_decorations.html

This process only replaces medals, not the certificates accompanying them. It also takes a while (been waiting over a year for the US Air Force to send my mom my late father's AF decorations.)

It seems to me that a politician just might want to hang medals and certificates on his office wall. If these certificates were signed by a high official - such as the Secretary of the Navy - so much the better.

My guess is that the following happened:

After settling in in his new Senate office in early 1985, Senator Kerry decided to put his medals on the wall - and either couldn't locate the original certificates for his medals or decided they weren't signed by anyone "high enough" to hang on his wall. Kerry was doubtless in a hurry to get these up on his wall to impressvisitors. He requested that the Navy, as a courtesy to a sitting Senator, reissue him replacement certificates for same signed by the SecNav. The Navy, not wanting to piss off a US Senator, complied. If Kerry sent over a copy of his DD214 releasing him from active duty in 1970, I'd further guess that no one even brought this to Lehman's attention and that it was handled by someone in the SecNav's office using an autopen.
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rb325th · Admiral Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 1334

Hondo, while your explanation sounds feasible there a couple problems with that.
There are three different versions of the Silver Star Citation, how many times did Kerry need to have it re-issued?
Also, when I was stuck as clerk for a bit I typed up many a reccomendation for Awards, the reccomendation is a part of the Official Record and is the Template for the Citation itself, as well as provides signature blocks for the person reccomending the Award and those who approve it. There would be no need to reword the Citation in a re-issue.
The fact that Kerry had three different Citations for the same Award is very curious to say the least.
You are correct about the Medals though, these can be re-issued by the Various Services by filling out a form. I have been looking into it myself having lost a couple of mine along the way ("Lowest Bid" Government Movers are not always that good at keeping track of things)
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zinfella · Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 8:15 pm Post subject: