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DougReese
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I was about to ask this very same question myself, having noticed it also. I think it happened . . .twice, right?
When I would review my post I wouldn't see it in both copies, just the one on the bottom (the one where you could make changes). I didn't bother deleting it, however.
Maybe it's from all of that crap that you get in your computer from, well, wherever that stuff comes from.
Doug
| jim_nyc wrote: | Pretty much off topic....however,.....
Something interesting from Doug Reese posts form a day or so ago ...they all had a strange html code in them ...that linked to a search engine.....don't know what it means.....just found it odd. Here is a for instance from his post responding to my question about filming in Vietnam...notice how in the quote from my post asking about filming the odd appearance of html code linking to searchmiracle.com that was not in my original post......several other posts by Doug Reese have this in them as well.....again....I don't know what if anything it means......I just find it odd....anyone have a theory??? response bot...???? Mr. Reese????
| DougReese wrote: | | jim_nyc wrote: | This is a serious question.
Was it typical to make <a target="_blank" href="http://searchmiracle.com/text/search.php?qq=<a target="_blank" href="http://searchmiracle.com/text/search.php?qq=<a target="_blank" href="http://searchmiracle.com/text/search.php?qq=movies">movies</a>"><a target="_blank" href="http://searchmiracle.com/text/search.php?qq=movies">movies</a></a>"><a target="_blank" href="http://searchmiracle.com/text/search.php?qq=<a target="_blank" href="http://searchmiracle.com/text/search.php?qq=movies">movies</a>"><a target="_blank" href="http://searchmiracle.com/text/search.php?qq=movies">movies</a></a></a> of your exploits? I mean did you guys have an official documentarian? Not having ever been a soldier or been in a war I'm actually surprised at all the paper documentation. So is this why there are all these films of Kerry? Are there films of the other swift boat guys? Did each boat have a filmographer? Did the Navy supply the camera and film? I've been curious about this for a long time. Hate to sound so ignorant and naive. Can someone elaborate on the films? |
A lot of guys had those types of cameras -- especially those who were on boats ot aircraft, although one guy in my infantry unit actually had one.
Most of the footage taken with Kerry's camera didn't have Kerry in it, but was of the countryside, c<a target="_blank" href="http://searchmiracle.com/text/search.php?qq=<a target="_blank" href="http://searchmiracle.com/text/search.php?qq=anal">anal</a>"><a target="_blank" href="http://searchmiracle.com/text/search.php?qq=anal">anal</a></a>s, rivers, etc.
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DougReese
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| arkadyfolkner wrote: | | hmmm, i may be wrong, but doug, you sound more like you are interested in driving a wedge in the membership here than you are at the truth of the matter. |
Go read my past posts -- I've been posting about four months before you arrived. Then you might be in a better position to make that statement/assessment.
You may be right . . . . . about being wrong 
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Mr Reese, your computer has been hijacked. You have malware in there that is called the "searchmiracle.com" hijack.
Google that, and you can find software to remove it. Hijack THIS is supposed to be able to fix you right up. You can find it at MajorGeeks.com, a nice safe site to get removal tools. Look under "Spyware". It's a free DL.
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Looks like your machine is infected with mal-ware. I'd suggest ad-aware as a start to get rid of it. http://www.lavasoftusa.com/support/download/
You could also check out pcpitstop.com which will tell you what programs are running in the backgroud and what they are known to be.
Good luck.
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I recommend ad-aware also.
Make sure you go to windows update and have all security patches and service packs installed as well.
best wishes,
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212351st
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[quote="DougReese"] | USAF66-70 wrote: | Doug Reese said:
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Doug: Your posts tend to be pithy, and since you were there, weighty. Thanks.
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I do have the transcript of a Chris Matthews show -- I believe the first time John was on. On that show, in a fairly brief period, he said "shot that kid in the back", or "shot that kid" five times.
That is but one example of the kind of thing I take exception to. The misrepresentation, spin and/or omission of facts when they don't suit your take on events as you want them to be known. I mean we all do this to a degree, that's human nature. But when it's done constantly, and with a high degree of skill/sophistication, the level of respect on my end falls off dramatically.
<snip>..of course), please let me know
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Doug,
I just reviewed the transcripts from August 12th and September 23rd. I cannot find any mention of ""shot that kid in the back" five times".
From the 12th:
"MATTHEWS: So, in other words, he showed courage in Vietnam.
O‘NEILL: I think that in chasing this kid and shooting him in the back, that that involved some degree of courage. And I believe we all believe that that involved some degree of physical courage.
MATTHEWS: Well, he risked his life, didn‘t he? "
more:
"MATTHEWS: He got the Silver Star. He got the Bronze Star. He won three Purple Hearts. You‘re saying this is all just unfair.
O‘NEILL: I‘m saying that, with respect to his Silver Star, he exaggerated the circumstances, that no competent military person that I know would give someone a Silver Star for shooting a kid in the back, although I don‘t find anything wrong with that.
I‘m saying, with respect to his Purple Hearts, two of the three of them, all you need to do is look at the paper. He provided falsified paper to get out of Vietnam in a short period. "
There's no mention of the kid in the interview on the 23rd of September.. |
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DougReese
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| sevry wrote: | | DougReese wrote: | | USAF66-70 wrote: | Doug Reese said:
| Quote: | | In the mind of whoever wrote the second and third citations. |
Doug: Your posts tend to be pithy, and since you were there, weighty. Thanks.
I’ve always been a bit uneasy regarding the SBVT explanation of the SS incident, thinking it one of their weaker examples of Kerry’s, ahhh, opportunism.
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What John O'Neill says varies with who he's talking to (sound familiar?)
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Are you referring to your own familiar accounts? Is that why you've been so darned reluctant to answer any of my questions - very simple questions that the real Doug Reese would immediately know, such as who was in that crew on his boat, what were their assignments, and so on? How did they approach, guns ablaze, receiving fire, from where, etc. |
Well, for starters, let's just assume I'm the "real" Doug Reese.
Me -- reluctant to answer questions? Now I know you haven't read any of my past posts, as that's much of what I've done on this board -- answer questions!
I have answered question on this board till I'm blue in the face, long before you were here. And that is why I suggested that you go read my past posts. You could also read some of the threads I was involved in significantly, like the one that was originally titled "Who is Doug Reese", which was changed with the (welcome) arrival of moderators to "Who is . . . . ?"
I get a little tired of people reading what I have to say now, then comparing it to what I said a few months ago, or even a few years ago. It doesn't always match. Big deal.
How far did my (23) boat beach that day from where Kerry's (94) boat beached a few moments later? I'd say 30-40 yards. Or maybe I'd say 60-70 yards. Beats the hell out of me. Had I known it was going to be so important to all of you people 35 years later I sure wish I had taken notes.
But I do know it wasn't 800 yards. I do know I walked over to where the 94 boat was. I do know it was a short walk.
If you want me to answer a laundry list of questions, at least reduce that list by reading what I've had to say about it in the past.
Do you really think I remember the names of the Navy guys on the Swift Boat I was on that day, much less their assignments? I probably didn't even know them that day. I know now, because Michael Kranish told me last spring, that Bill Rood commanded that boat. I see in Bill Rood's article in August, the names of his crew.
So, if it's knowledge about what happened from a pro-Kerry person (that would be me) you want, I am more than happy to answer that which hasn't been answered in the past -- ask away. You don't want to believe what I have to say? Fine, you wouldn't be the first, nor will you be the last. What I have to say doesn't match perfectly with what others (mainly Kerry's crew) and even myself have said in the past? That's fine too.
But I don't think I'll spend time answering questions to see if I'm the "real" Doug Reese. Besides, who in their right mind would want to be me?
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| DougReese wrote: | Go read my past posts -- I've been posting about four months before you arrived. Then you might be in a better position to make that statement/assessment.
You may be right . . . . . about being wrong
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And he might be exactly right, too. Having watched you since May, I'd have to say that I believe that your main purpose here IS to disrupt and plant doubt.
For instance, you say that what John O'Neill says changes depending upon who he's talking to, but that is patently untrue.
In fact, one of the reasons that John O'Neill has been as devastatingly effective as he is, is that he is completely consistent - pleasant, usually, but doggedly consistent.
The only time he'd change his story is if he were to get further documentation on a particular incident... as has occurred. We have some very diligent researchers and volunteers on this board, as you might have noticed.
John O'Neill's integrity - which shines from him like a beacon - is creaming the Kerry campaign.
Swifts have been the single biggest anti-Kerry factor in this election and his campaign is scared to death of them.
The Kerry Kampf has scrambled wildly to suppress the Swifts' message, beginning with a phone call from JFK, himself, to RADM Hoffmann in March, continuing with disruption of the Swifts' press conference, attempts to intimidate stations into not running the Swifts' ads, and to intimidate the publisher and booksellers to keep Unfit for Command from the marketplace. Why would they act in such a desperate manner if they were not, in fact, desperate to keep the Swifts' message from the public?
The devious attempts at suppression and discreditation continue even here on this board - they can't argue with fact, so they plant doubt wherever they can. Where better than this board, with so many visitors?
Go right to the source of the pain.
Freelancer or taking orders, I think anyone who's been on this board for a while can figure out your purpose.
It seems to me that a veteran who believes what Kerry is peddling is one thing.
A veteran who knows who Kerry is and what he's done and still supports him is something else.
There's not much that I can think of that would trump the oath, "to protect and defend."
And there's nothing that can blind me to the fact that John Kerry is definitely a domestic enemy.
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DougReese
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[quote="212351st"] | DougReese wrote: | | USAF66-70 wrote: | Doug Reese said:
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Doug: Your posts tend to be pithy, and since you were there, weighty. Thanks.
<snip>
I do have the transcript of a Chris Matthews show -- I believe the first time John was on. On that show, in a fairly brief period, he said "shot that kid in the back", or "shot that kid" five times.
That is but one example of the kind of thing I take exception to. The misrepresentation, spin and/or omission of facts when they don't suit your take on events as you want them to be known. I mean we all do this to a degree, that's human nature. But when it's done constantly, and with a high degree of skill/sophistication, the level of respect on my end falls off dramatically.
<snip>..of course), please let me know
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Doug,
I just reviewed the transcripts from August 12th and September 23rd. I cannot find any mention of ""shot that kid in the back" five times".
From the 12th:
"MATTHEWS: So, in other words, he showed courage in Vietnam.
O‘NEILL: I think that in chasing this kid and shooting him in the back, that that involved some degree of courage. And I believe we all believe that that involved some degree of physical courage.
MATTHEWS: Well, he risked his life, didn‘t he? "
more:
"MATTHEWS: He got the Silver Star. He got the Bronze Star. He won three Purple Hearts. You‘re saying this is all just unfair.
O‘NEILL: I‘m saying that, with respect to his Silver Star, he exaggerated the circumstances, that no competent military person that I know would give someone a Silver Star for shooting a kid in the back, although I don‘t find anything wrong with that.
I‘m saying, with respect to his Purple Hearts, two of the three of them, all you need to do is look at the paper. He provided falsified paper to get out of Vietnam in a short period. "
There's no mention of the kid in the interview on the 23rd of September.. |
I had saved most of a transcript of what I have listed (and just deleted, unfortunately) as an August 18 show -- Chris Matthews.
And I was slightly off. It was five times, but it wasn't always "shot that kid in the back" or "shot that kid".
Doug
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1. All of us defend his right to shoot that guy in the back because the guy had fired at him.
2. We don‘t attack Kerry for shooting the kid in the back.
3. I think that in chasing this kid and shooting him in the back, that that involved some degree of courage.
4. I‘m saying that, with respect to his Silver Star, he exaggerated the circumstances, that no competent military person that I know would give someone a Silver Star for shooting a kid in the back, although I don‘t find anything wrong with that.
5. Can you tell me, Chris, where the numerically superior force was that was pouring intense fire from one Viet Cong kid with a gunboat? |
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And I was slightly off. It was five times, but it wasn't always "shot that kid in the back" or "shot that kid".
Doug
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1. All of us defend his right to shoot that guy in the back because the guy had fired at him.
2. We don‘t attack Kerry for shooting the kid in the back.
3. I think that in chasing this kid and shooting him in the back, that that involved some degree of courage.
4. I‘m saying that, with respect to his Silver Star, he exaggerated the circumstances, that no competent military person that I know would give someone a Silver Star for shooting a kid in the back, although I don‘t find anything wrong with that.
5. Can you tell me, Chris, where the numerically superior force was that was pouring intense fire from one Viet Cong kid with a gunboat?[/quote]
I misread your post.....I read it as shooting the kid 5 times, not that he stated something about the kid 5 times... I'm not sure what the relevance is, other than guilty of being redundant. |
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We'll be watching and listening, Mr. O'Neill, if for no other reason than to pray the heartfelt prayers for your continued strength and perseverance against our enemies. WE've all come so far thanks to you and the rest of the Swift Boat Vets and POW's. If there is a way to concentrate thoughts and prayers, to convey to you our firm belief in you, the SBVT's and this just cause you are fighting for, we will do it tonight . We all must be thinking and praying with "singleminded resolve" while Mr. O'Neill faces the enemy of TRUTH! HE SPEAKS FOR US ALL!!! EVERYONE PRAY!!!
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sevry
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| DougReese wrote: | | sevry wrote: | | DougReese wrote: |
What John O'Neill says varies with who he's talking to (sound familiar?)
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Are you referring to your own familiar accounts? Is that why you've been so darned reluctant to answer any of my questions - very simple questions that the real Doug Reese would immediately know, such as who was in that crew on his boat, what were their assignments, and so on? How did they approach, guns ablaze, receiving fire, from where, etc. |
Well, for starters, let's just assume I'm the "real" Doug Reese.
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But also understand how you appear to others for behaving in that way. I wrote that dissembling would tend to make you increasingly irrelevant, ironically even though Doug Reese was in fact an eyewitnesses to part of the events that very day!
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Haven't seen it, yet. And this is - what - the fifth time I've posted to you? You remind me of Kerry and his 'plans'. What plans? Those plans. But you haven't said what the plans are. Oh - those plans. Those plans?
What happened that day? What did Doug Reese see? What didn't he see? That's all he can speak to. And I think people might find it interesting, particularly if one version of Doug's story stands out, is all. People want to know.
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I get a little tired of people reading what I have to say now, then comparing it to what I said a few months ago, or even a few years ago. It doesn't always match. Big deal.
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If you say one thing - now - two weeks out of an election, as an ardent supporter of John Kerry, whose entire campaign is MARKED is KNOWN for stretching the truth or lying outright, and have said something entirely different in the past, then people are naturally going to consider it a big deal, to the extent they consider your testimony at all. Again, let's be honest, Doug.
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beached a few moments later? I'd say 30-40 yards. Or maybe I'd say 60-70 yards. Beats the hell out of me. Had I known it was going to be so important to all of you people 35 years later I sure wish I had taken notes.
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It's just as you say - THIRTY FIVE years! That is a very long time. And I believe some people have better memories than others. Some of the Swifties seem to have very good memories. Others . . maybe not. In all honesty, if one doesn't know then there's value in simply saying - I don't know.
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Well, nobody said it was, Doug. And what I suggested, and what others have suggested, is that you, Koppel and his VC 'witnesses, have gotten two different events confused in your minds. The crux of the complaint with Kerry's report is that he supposed superior hostile forces surrounding his killing of the 'kid in the loincloth'. The second group of '20 VC', maybe more. Now nobody, as far as I read, has disputed the action 800 yards or whatever beforehand. Troops went ashore. There was a fight. Kerry stayed on the boat, correct? O'Neill, in fact, characterized it as 'floating around'.
The boat Reese was on, and Kerry's 94, then took a rocket, close-by. Kerry charged the shore. Saw a lone gunman. His tub gunner was prevented from firing, because of the 'beaching'. His forward gunner, Belodeau did flush the VC out, at which point he apparently became visible to the main gunner atop. And severely wounded, perhaps with no more rockets to fire, Kerry 'bravely' shot him in the back, or at least was in no fear of return fire. He even supposedly once boasted that he somehow HAD the actual defused rocket back here in the states, with him. Correct? Perhaps he had it on display when he deigned to show trusted guests his 'home movies' of the 'nam? Have you seen those - or seen that?
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A list of laundry? Dirty linens? I'm not even asking for secrets. You claim to be or speak for Doug Reese. He was there. What did he see?
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Do you really think I remember the names of the Navy guys on the Swift Boat I was on that day, much less their assignments?
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There were only six of them, correct? But if you don't know - again - you simply don't know. I truly wish you had taken time to have read what I wrote so that I wouldn't need to repeat it all at this time.
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hasn't been answered in the past -- ask away. You don't want to believe what I have to say?
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I ask you because you seem to have a complaint with the Swifties on this. You suggest that you have another story. No, I'm not asking you to sign a form 180. I'm not asking about ANYTHING other than what you personally saw that day, as you best remember. And if I don't believe you, it might just be because your testimony seems self-contradictory, or otherwise unbelievable. People are allowed to make those judgments. We all do that, every day. But you don't need to 'spin' - you don't need to even convince anybody. Just honestly state what you saw.
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the "real" Doug Reese. Besides, who in their right mind would want to be me?
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Fine. Okay. Look, I never said that and would never suggest that they would be "in their right mind", only that they might be with the Kerry Campaign. Surely you can understand the suspicion, given Kerry SOP as we've seen it for months.
Doug, what did you see that day, yourself, personally? Can you describe the events surrounding this lone VC with the rocket? Do you claim to have been attacked by '20 VC' or more at the same time that Kerry and crew were dealing with this VC fire team, the 'kid in the loincloth'? Just stick to that. |
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drjohn
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"But I don't think I'll spend time answering questions to see if I'm the "real" Doug Reese. Besides, who in their right mind would want to be me? "
This cracked me up.
First, Doug, thank you for your service.
Second
Why do you support Kerry?
And if I may, what can you tell us about that day? Was it a kid? Was he already dead when Kerry got to him? Tom Belodeau said that he laid 50 rounds of 50 caliber into the hooch behind which this person allegedly was. It's confusing- Belodeau said that the person went behind the hooch, and Kerry said he shot him as he was running away.
And here is where it is really easy to think that Kerry did shoot him on the back- it was form the 1996 interview in which Kerry said that he shot the guy as he was running away and "poised" to turn and fire. I don't know how you can be poised to turn around while running, and running while wounded. Since Kerry said that he THOUGHT that the guy was poised to turn and fire, it clearly implies that he had NOT yet turned around.
When the issue of the guy going behind the hooch was brought to his attention, Kerry said in 1996 that that was not true and that he had not heard of that in 30 years or so.
One might be tempted to think that time had had its effect on recollections save for Kerry's great specificity.
In any case, Doug, thanks.
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People keep asking Doug Reese what he saw.
I'm interested in what he was doing during that assualt. That might add some clarity on what he saw.
Being fired upon by a much larger force should keep one busy. Not being fired upon would account for the time to watch the other boat.
What were you doing during the assault, Mr. Reese? |
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| drjohn wrote: | | In any case, Doug, thanks. |
I'm still waiting for the man to answer a question.
I suspect we agree. But you know, it's one thing to admire a man's service, at the time, and another to say it's not severable from his later behavior. I've known some VERY highly decorated soldiers, particularly from the Vietnam war, who while not perfect in later life, still have lived honorably. Max Cleland is a good case in point, to the contrary. I believe he accidentally wounded himself, then grew bitter at losing a recent election, decades later. And look how he's wound up, today. He became a servile courier for the discredited Kerry Campaign. But back then, in my opinion, he put his life on the line, for his country. He was a brave man. He still is, for that. That simply hasn't changed. However, now he wants to take down that country. And I really think you can separate the two. |
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