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Breaking news Oct. 18:

bk_mo · Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:45 pm Post subject: ?

Anyone forward this the Sean Hannity? He's catholic also.
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twicearound · PO2 Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 362 Location: San Antonio

I SENT IT TO HANNITY AND EVERYONE ELSE
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Hondo · LCDR Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 423 Location: USA

Folks, from what I know of Catholic doctrine, if the statement wasn't from the Pope, speaking Ex Cathedra, it is not a binding official Church position.

Private communications - even from high Church officials - are not the same as Church doctrine.
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Mary Ann Parker · LCDR Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 406

Hondo,
What you say in general is true.
However, read the entire article, go to the links and check
out the definitions in the glossary. Also visit DeFide.com

This is a beginning that will result in a DECISION!
That is HUGE.
Kerry cannot put the "meow back in the cat".
He is in the public record many times over with his
contrary views to th official CHURCH. Don't forget Sacred Tradition
SEE...

Father Cole wrote, "If a Catholic publicly and obstinately supports the civil right to abortion, knowing that the Church teaches officially against that legislation, he or she commits that heresy envisioned by Can. 751 of the Code [of Canon Law]. Provided that the presumptions of knowledge of the law and penalty and imputability are not rebutted in the
external forum, one is automatically excommunicated ...."

So many people of faith are disturbed and have started to make
that known in a fromal complaint in the church that they will have
to give a formal response.

Nothing is for sure, but is one VERY SERIOUS issue now.
It will have an impact. He cannot "unring the bell".

To compound his own misery he has ramped up speeches about
his faith and religion. As usual he is at odds with the truth.
This is ANOTHER opportunity for people who care to participate and
make a difference.

Let's make it a day of impact and ...
a "debunking" kind of day.
Mary Ann Paker

Schadow · Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 12:05 am Post subject:

This from PowerLine on the subject:

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The Vatican's response is by Father Basil Cole, a Dominican theologian based in Washington, DC, who said he had been assigned to give an unofficial response to the question that Balestrieri had submitted. He answers two questions that Balestrieri had posed, both affirmatively. His letter concludes:

Consequently, if a Catholic publicly and obstinately supports the civil right to abortion, knowing that the Church teaches officially against that legislation, he or she commits that heresy envisioned by Can. 751 of the Code. Provided that the presumptions of knowledge of the law and penalty and imputability are not rebutted in the external forum, one is automatically excommunicated according to Can. 1364, Sec. 1.

Catholic World News says that "[t]he type of excommunication outlined in the new information is called latae sententiae, which means that it occurs automatically and does not require a formal pronouncement by any Church official."

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I really wouldn't count on anything momentous here.

Schadow

Edit: Whoops!, Mary Ann, I didn't mean to overlap your post. We were writing at the same time!

Aristotle The Hun · PO1 Joined: 18 Aug 2004 Posts: 488 Location: Naples FL

Whatever the outcome of the decision process the Vatican will not release anything official until after the election. This will not have political impact on this election cycle.

This news simply means that after Kerry loses the election, journalists will jump on Kerry’s political carcass in one of their carrion feeding frenzies, and the whole world will find out what we already know, and media outlets will compete to interview SwiftVets who provide stories that validate the national outcry for John Kerry to be deported to France, the French refuse to accept him and at that time he will also be excommunicated.

T. will carefully keep sharp objects away from him.

Sam
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Nomorelies · Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 3:44 am Post subject:

All this over a former Altar Boy.
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Stevie · Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 4:17 am Post subject:

HE can always move to Iran and start his own Islamic sect.... Laughing

oh woops! will his marriage still be 'legal' catholicly? (new word)
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TEWSPilot · Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 4:33 am Post subject:

Now wonder he has been working the Black Protestant Church circuit lately. Shamefully, if he continues to "ask for your vote" from the pulpit as he did this past Sunday, he will cost the churches he visits their tax-exempt status -- and blame it on Bush.

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MSeeger · Seaman Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 174 Location: Katy, TX

One assumes that John Kerry is a practicing Catholic...that is, that he goes to Mass every Sunday, goes to Confession on a fairly regular basis, and more or less follows the teachings of the Catholic church.

I think for most Catholics, this will be a stumbling block; John F Kennedy, for all his flaws was unabashedly Catholic and no doubt did not support abortion, and it certainly helped to rally the Catholic vote and get him elected.

Unfortunately, I think Mr. Kerry's brand of Catholicism is more for convenience than out of any genuine belief or regard for the Church's teachings and rituals. If he seeks to try to highlight his faith, in contrast to the President's unashamed Christian faith, in order to court the evangelical vote, he is fighting a losing battle, as most evangelicals don't exactly consider Catholics to be Christians.

At any rate, I don't think the excommunication will affect him personally, as I suspect he usually doesn't go to church regularly. But it might cost him some Catholic votes.

Maria
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arkadyfolkner · PO3 Joined: 12 Sep 2004 Posts: 271

well, this probably cost him a good chunk of the catholic vote, and anyone else who is religious.

excommunication is a big deal.

kimberly · PO2 Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 377

Though any 'formal' announcement may not come from the Vatican until after the election, let's hope the media runs with this today! We need any and all things we can get to keep Kerry on the defensive.

Kimberly

twicearound · PO2 Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 362 Location: San Antonio

This has made Drudge now, expect to hear on Rush etc. I guess because it came from CWNEWS makes the difference. Now I can send this to my mom.
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