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Gus · Seaman Recruit Joined: 18 Oct 2004 Posts: 13

The fact that he won't sign F-180 is a fact. Also, if you'll check the Judicial
Watch website, you'll see that the Navy has stonewalled Judicial Watch's
request for ALL of Kerry's records under the Freedom of Information ACt.
It's unbelievable the way this guy just skates on through, without having
his military service record made public.....by telling everyone they already ARE!!!!! That's why my personal feeling is that the very best thing we could
do is get the Swift Boat veterans to come up with an ad about this..... it
seems THESE ads really get out to everyone - and they make an impact!!!
I have personally contacted every newspaper I could think of to tell them
about this....but have yet to see anything done. There was a great article
in the New York Sun on 11/13, entitled "Mystery Surrounds Kerry's Navy Discharge" (you can find it on their website) which gets into this....but unfortunately this is a relatively small newspaper (circulation 53,000) and
this stuff just doesn't get into the MAIN STREAM because the elite media
is doing all it can to keep this stuff squelched....because it would, no doubt,
mean the election. It's so FRUSTRATING....because we could win this election if only this would become PUBLIC!!!!!!! Gus

JP · Seaman Recruit Joined: 19 Oct 2004 Posts: 7

Senator Kerry's website for President (http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_kerry/service_timeline.html) offers a detailed timeline of his military career along with supporting documents from his service record. His timeline ends on April 29, 1970, with the notation, "Kerry listed as Registrant who has completed service."

A military person's discharge from the service is recorded by a DD-214 Form, a purely administrative document. Kerry's website shows two DD-214's: One when he was discharged from 'Officer Candidate' status because he had been commissioned; the date of this discharge is 15 Dec 66. The second DD-214 is a discharge from active duty and transfer to the Naval Reserve; the date of this discharge is 3 Jan 1970. This second DD-214 shows Kerry's "Terminal Date of Reserve Obligation" was 17 Feb 1972 (about 6 years after his commissioning). One would therefore expect to find on Kerry's website a third and last DD-214, dated on or about 17 Feb 72, documenting final separation from Naval service. Its not there. Instead there is a SECNAV cover letter dated 18 Feb 1978 which forwards to Kerry an "Honorable Discharge Certificate" (six years after the end of his obligated service). The cover letter mentions an examination of Kerry records by a "board of officers." The Kerry website does not provide a copy of the Honorable Discharge Certificate. To have not received a DD 214 in 1972 when his service ended is a very unusual circumstance. So irregular, in fact, that the more likely scenario is that he did receive another DD 214 in 1972. This suggests the possibility that the SECNAV letter was a result of Kerry's petitioning the Navy to change the character or date of an earlier DD 214 discharge. Compounding the unreality of this situation are the additional observations that the last date given on his timeline (29 Apr 1970) doesn't bring him up to the end of his contractual obligation; and nor does his timeline end by using the only correct and accurate word for such matters, "Discharged."

Senator Kerry, by not disclosing all the documents relating to the completion of his military service, has prima facie chosen to withhold information that he doesn't want the public to know.

DenisC · Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 6:30 pm Post subject:

I hate to say it, but Kerry will never sign the 180. He knows it would be all over for him and we all know why. We are beating a dead horse.
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Tom Poole · Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 7:14 pm Post subject:

Over the past few days, I've heard three distinguished and respected individuals (Lipscomb, Prager and O'Neill) state their strong suspicions, (almost accusations) that Humpty f'n Dumpty was discharged under less-than-honorable conditions. Humpty and his crowd certainly heard or read the same material. About his medals, Humpty said something like, I'm not going to stand for anyone questioning my record in Vietnam. But, facing an almost-accusation that he received a dishonorable discharge, more damaging than any prior criticism, we've heard nothing. Hmmm...
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Anker-Klanker · Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 7:27 pm Post subject:

Tom, that would make an interesting and possibly more effective twist on the theme of this thread. How about something like:

Kerry, tell us about your discharge

That would get people's attention. It plants a seed of doubt (inducing the reader to ask for more information). And it would be understood (I think) by someone with a non-military-background (which predominately Democrats are). And if by some miracle, he would have to respond to this, then it opens up the whole F-180 can of worms.

ScottyDog · Ensign Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 68 Location: Mexifornia

In addition, Kerry has refused to release his medical records full financial records.

Don't you think it is odd that after John kerry had prostate surgery that no one is concerned that this guy may have cancer?

The Breck Girl is just a heart beat away after all

Gus · Seaman Recruit Joined: 18 Oct 2004 Posts: 13

Is there NO ONE who knows of a way to get this refusal to open
ALL of this military records into the MAINSTREAM NEWS?????
This just flips me out. I feel like I'm living in Communism...where the
only thing we are allowed to know is what the dems ALLOW us to know!!!!!
How do these people have so damned much power over us????????
Do the dems PAY the media ....or what? WHY is everything so biased???
Can't SOMEONE get this information out where it matters? Sean Hannity
talks about it - Rush talks about it .....but they are "preachin' to the choir". THIS NEEDS TO BE IN THE NEW YORK TIMES!!!!!!!!!! HELP!!!!!!!!
It's NOT too late to get this out!!!! If this thing hit a MAJOR paper,
Kerry would be TOAST!!!!! Isn't there SOMEONE out there who knows
a journalist at a LARGE newspaper? Isn't there someone who can convince
the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth to do an ad?

mach9 · Seaman Apprentice Joined: 05 Oct 2004 Posts: 97

[quote="Gus"]Actually, I have written to my local paper (which I cancelled today because of its liberal bias)....and it was printed in the editorial section....but we need MORE exposure of this issue!!!

I've written almost weekly, cancelled the (21-yr.) subscription--absolutely no response. "Odder" still because my name is known.

msindependent · Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 10:06 pm Post subject:

$5,000.00 Reward For All of Kerry's Service Records. Put in newspapers, ebay, telephone poles, car windsheild, etc..

Theresa Alwood · Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 10:17 pm Post subject:

Gus...you are new to swiftvets and this subject has been of great discussion...the point of the matter is Kerry WILL not sign 180 now, nor ever. MSM has avoided the swiftvets, have avoided the facts, and have just avoided anything negative against John Kerry...the reason is obvious, the MSM and the Kerry campaign are working together to get Kerry elected.

Also note that Sean Hannity has held up the Form 180 and asked for Kerry to sign it. Rush has also brought this to his radio viewers. Plain fact is it will not be done and most of us wonder...What IS John Kerry hiding? We all know it is something but with the MSM working against us we will never find out.
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justamom · Lt.Jg. Joined: 06 Aug 2004 Posts: 135

Gus, don't give up!

There must be a way...I'm with you, IF we could get this one fact out in the open - it would (most likely) plant just enough doubt that atleast those voting for Kerry simply because they oppose Bush would realize there is simply too much at stake.

The problem is: it needs to be a massive outcry from "regular joes" like us. My feeling is that if it came from SVPT, many would simply write it off as just another accusation. If hundreds of us bombarded the larger papers, maybe we could get through?

WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY! I STILL AM IN UTTER SHOCK AND DISBELIEF AT WHAT TED KOPPEL AND NIGHTLINE DID! WHAT A SAD, SAD DAY FOR AMERICA...MSM GOES TO THE ENEMY FOR THE "TRUTH" AND TOTALLY IGNORES AND DISCREDITS OUR OWN BRAVE AMERICANS WHO FOUGHT, WERE MAIMED AND DIED TO PROTECT THEIR RIGHT TO "SPEAK". IT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME AT ALL.

I am so afraid for our country.

Tom Poole · Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 10:49 pm Post subject:

How about, "Kerry accused of dishonorable discharge but no answer from his campaign." Or simply, "Humpty Dumpty Dishonorably Discharged!" You may add "f'n" if you wish.
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