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coldwarvet · Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 3:24 pm Post subject: My journey with the swift vets

My journey with the swift vets

5/21/04 I met up with my Navy recruit son on his first liberty after boot camp and his two brothers at Six Flags Great America Gurnee, IL. Strangers came up and thanked him for his service, we went to UNO’s for pizza and they gave him a military discount, we played mini golf and my son received another military discount. It was such a relief to see the shift in public opinion from my 1975-1979 service. Suddenly it all crashed when one of his brothers told me that during another liberty on 5/30/04 while visiting the Chicago loop a hippie type on a bicycle waived his middle finger at my uniformed son. Then the memory of my personal public mistreatment while in my Air Force uniform popped into my mind. And then I became consumed with all the stories of public mistreatments that were shared with me as we patrolled the 90th MSS missile wing. I remember how the honorable men I served with rarely talked about Vietnam however they had no loss of words when it came to Hanoi John & Jane. I also remembered security briefings that included potential threats from the VVAW.

I GOOGLED VVAW in my search to discover roots of how Americans came to the place were they hate their own military. I was flabbergasted to discover that Hanoi John was actually John Kerry we perceived as a threat during the cold war. And the ideal that he could actually become my sons CIC, well it just can’t happen John Kerry should be in prison not President of the United States of America. Well after that discovery it only took me a few minutes to stumble into the Swift Boat Veterans for truth.

And to any one out their that wrongfully depicts our troops better duck and cover because for me and any others that would like to join in we will hunt you down take you into court and sue you for libel. Your lies will become public record and we will take as much money from you as we can get and use it to go after the next zero who spews lies about our men and women who are protecting our freedoms. We need to reclaim the libel laws in such a time as this and it is my opinion we go after Michael Moore first. We can not effectually fight the war on terror while people like Michael Moore undermine the troops and public opinion with treasonous trash. We stood by in 1971 while Kerry spewed his lies and look what it has brought us today. If Moore goes unchallenged in the courts sends the wrong message that it is ok in America to package a pile of lies and market it as a documentary. If this goes unchallenged the value of all future documentaries will be diminished. If Moore goes unchallenged he and others like him will continue to wrongfully depict our troop’s one libelous documentary after the next.

We must seize this moment to end the cycle of libelous depictions of our troops.

CWV
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coldwarvet · Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:05 pm Post subject:

Tom Poole · Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 11:10 pm Post subject:

CTW · Rear Admiral Joined: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 691

John O'Neill is an attorney. Surely he would be a source for advice in this. I agree that some legal action should be pursued.
A la Scarlet: "I'll think about that tomorrow" ...after Nov 2. I am about burnt out. But we have a lot of work to do in many arenas. CTW

Never Ever Kerry

sleeplessinseattle · LCDR Joined: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 430

Great ideas all! Class action lawsuit - brilliant...I'd love to see Moore hauled into court...he hates America (really)...at least the America I know and love...why don't we give him a good ol' American lawsuit to tie up his time and treasure (hard earned American treasure that lines his oozing fat pockets...

We cannot let his prevarications, slander and vituperations go without a 'swift' and certain response...

Some Canadians conservatives have initiated court action against Moore for violating their election laws...but it's uncertain what the punitive outcome would be for Moore even if they won...

For those seriously ticked off and wanting to network against Moore I'd suggest this site:
http://www.moorelies.com/alt_index.cfm

d19thdoc · Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 2:10 am Post subject:

I'm not a lawyer, but I think this is the deal . . .

Libel is defined as an accusation of criminal behavior that the accuser knows is false.

Perjury is a crime.

Many SwiftVets have sworn affidavits backing up their version of Kerry's history in and after Vietnam.

Kerry himself has accused them of being liars.

If they are liars they are criminals, i.e. perjurers.

If they are telling the truth and Kerry knows it, he has libeled them. It is actionable and it merits damages.

Part of the evidence is in Kerry's own military records - all of them - and these are therefore subject to subpoena at discovery and at trial. Privacy laws are, in such cases, trumped by the needs of the court.

Of course, it would take a lot of courage and a lot of money to sustain such an action at law.
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cpowkj · Ensign Joined: 22 Aug 2004 Posts: 67 Location: Texas

As much as I agree with the libel and class action stuff, it really is a waste of time if we don't beat Kerry at the ballot box.

Everybody in a swing state needs to get 5, 10, 20 or more people to the poles and burry this SOB with a landslide vote. If that happens--the baby killer stuff will die by itself. This isn't the 60's and 70's anymore. These protest turds need to eat and have enough money to watch MTV. Unfortunately, I live in Texas where W will win with 60%+ of the vote. Tomorrow I'm going to the poll to vote as many Republicans in as I can.

Given them hell,
Chief Johnson
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