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debewley · Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 9:41 pm Post subject:

My dear friends,
I am a 55 year old Vietnam veteran. I have two daughters and four grandsons. Never in my lifetime has there been an election that is as important as this one. Never has there been such a clear choice and never have the potential consequences been so high. I find it difficult sleeping at night when I consider how having Kerry as President may threaten the future of my daughters and grandsons.

I fully understand the passion you've demonstrated. But I would beg you to cool your rhetoric here. We do ourselves and our ideas a disservice when we adopt the radical rhetoric of those on the extreme left. We cheapen the value of our message when we threaten to emulate the illegal activities of those we oppose. And finally we alienate those people who may still be undecided.

The same patriotism that motivated my service thirty-five years ago still lives within me. No matter who might be elected I will not bear arms against my fellow citizens.

Please, please think carefully before you post.
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debewley · Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 10:57 pm Post subject:

Lorelei,
Please consider that the vast majority of Kerry supporters are good people who happen to view the issues and candidates in this election very differently than you or I do. That is their righht as Americans. There is a rather small fringe element that rants and raves; perform illegal acts; and threatens extra-legal means if this election doesn't finish to their desirre. To the extent that they do so, they not only undermine their own agenda but undoubtedly alienate more reasonable people who might otherwise support Kerry.

We do not want to serve that same purpose for Mr. Bush. Be politically active. (If we win big enough then they can't cheat). Resist through every legal means available if that becomes necessary. But gracefully accept the judgement of the people if it comes to that.

We are in a war for our very existence right now. Our enemies no doubt celebrate the extreme rhetoric from both sides of this election. This inflamed rhetoric on both sides only serves to further divide this country and serves the purpose of those who would do us harm.
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Rurik · Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 11:12 pm Post subject:

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debewley · Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 12:47 am Post subject:

Whoever ultimately wins on 11/2 is going to be faced with the unenviable task of leading a very divided nation against a fanatical enemy determined to destroy us, (commonly), no matter who we may have supported. Overheated rhetoric only adds to those divisions and encourages those who would do us harm. Kerry is truly loathsome but doesn't begin to approach the evil of those we face.

If there is a real internal threat it will be dealt with. But those who will actually do 'the dealing" won't be found on public forums needlessly agitating and telegraphing their moves.
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debewley · Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 1:02 am Post subject:

Rurik,
I often tour the forums of the various leftist organizations. I can't tell you how disgusted I am at the dialouge I find there.

But we should be better than that. We represent what is best about this country and to the extent that we sink to their level of communication we harm only ourselves and reinforce those who already hold a negative opinion of us.
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I B Squidly · Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 2:20 am Post subject:

The full horizon in flames, APCs rumbling down State Street...that was Chicago during the King riots. I've never seen anything more frightening in America. Detroit, Newark, Watts, witnessed the same. The '68 convention riot was a 'police riot' and a holiday in comparison. Glad I wasn't around in 1860 or 1776 when brother fought brother and neighbor killed neighbor.
Today, posse commitatus precludes the use of federal troops (as they were used in 1876 to reverse the electoral vote in three states) and the national guard can suppress unrest. 2nd Amendment miltias (read vigilanties) are rightfully discreditted in our current modus vivendi. It's doubtful any Kerry "I won" pronouncement would be greeted with anything but the derision it deserves.
How would this civil war manifest itself? I haven't a clue. There's no geographic declination. There's no age, class, income, or ethnic definition. We have to one side the trial lawyers, Great Society patronage and their lackeys. To the other side everyone else.
"Fighting for Peace is like F**king for Chastity." they said in an earlier, less dangerous time. Well, no one fights for peace and they don't believe in chastity so on what point can you expect a forceful conflict?

SangRun Hunter · PO1 Joined: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 462 Location: Zinzinnati

As a gun owner and more than just a hunter, I believe in the ability to own military style weapons as a right as it was in 1776.

I've seen this discussion on many gun boards and other places for years now. It's a question of where does it happen? DC or some other palce?

Never have I ever thought we would get close until 2000 and I saw people demostrating in Florida and DC. Then I see Kerry will declare himself winner if it's close early in the evening and I'm thinking that plus all the voter fraud it's getting closer than I ever thought it could.

If it happens it will be quick and spontaneous in maybe one or 2 locations. Instead of Civil war it might be more like rioting than war. What I could see happening is a resurgance of militia groups that were around in the 90's. Then you might see guerilla type actions of losely based groups, that is if Kerry gets elected.

Make no mistake about it though, the police and guard will cut anyone down if they try to take a city or DC. Number one on the mind of first responders will be to protect innocent civillian life.

I do not condone nor promote what I have posted, it's merely a what if of a scenario. Please be careful what you post as the feds are keeping watch for these types of things on all sides. The feds will want to nip this stuff in the bud. No sense getting yourself into trouble for having high emotions.
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Woodrow · Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 3:39 am Post subject:

I look for the battleground states to be ground zero if dem lawyers and partisan state supreme court judges try breaking the law and steal the election as in Florida 2000.

Goldy · Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 3:49 am Post subject: GW must win

This is my first post here. So hello.

I bought Shadow War and have read a little bit of it. I'm wondering if Bush has some intelligence about some of the things we've accomplished in the WOT that he could reveal at this point in time. Something that wouldn't be too costly to make public, in order for the public to know that we are having some success in our effort.

I think it should be attempted, because I think it would be far MORE dangerous to allow Kerry to win the WH.

I cannot tell you how concerned I am about this -- my children and grandchildren would have to live with the result of what as little as four years of this paper personality in the WH would do to our country.

Goldy · Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 3:53 am Post subject: GW must win

This is my first post here. So hello.

I bought Shadow War and have read a little bit of it. I'm wondering if Bush has some intelligence about some of the things we've accomplished in the WOT that he could reveal at this point in time. Something that wouldn't be too costly to make public, in order for the public to know that we are having some success in our effort.

I think it should be attempted, because I think it would be far MORE dangerous to allow Kerry to win the WH.

I cannot tell you how concerned I am about this -- my children and grandchildren would have to live with the result of what as little as four years of this paper personality in the WH would do to our country.

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ChaplainJeff · Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 4:21 am Post subject: YES THEY ARE GOING TO STEAL

What could happen!!!

Kerry is planning to do is have a coup to take over the Government. Let's not forget he controls the media and he will order his operatives to seize control of the Government. At one time many thought only the far right wing had this fear but now I believe that mainstream America realizes that Kerry will take control regardless of the election results. Even if the results show Kerry the "winner" they will never be valid due to the massive voter fraud expected in Kerry strongholds like the urban cities. The RNC is afraid to even monitor these polling districts controlled by Jackson, Sharpton and others. written by KJ and I believe this could happen.

All this talk about Kerry attempting a coup by claiming victory before he's even lost may sound a little paranoid. But he is most likely going to do it. On Election day that afternoon. He will begin anouncing his cabnet leaders and say he is the winner. Riots could break out and most likely will in areas that believe that their vote did'nt count.
BUT, when you consider it in the context of their stormtrooper campaign tactics, the vandalizing of GOP campaign headquarters,
of shooting up those HQs,
the threats by union thugs,
breaking peoples arms,
the massive and coordinated efforts at electoral fraud,
ballots with no Bush area,
electronic ballots voting Dem when you press Republician,
including the massive plans to vote the dead, and the fictional people,
plus to deny the vote to overseas soldiers... all of a sudden talk of a coup seems far less a fantasy, and far more a likelihood.
What else is there, that they are planning to do?????
We may see a New Chapter of American History in front of our eyes and it won't be pretty.
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