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southerndelite · Seaman Recruit Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 42

Thank you Misty. I will do that now!

Anker-Klanker · Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 3:16 am Post subject:

For what it's worth I've been eavesdropping on a few of the bloggers. These folks are generally of a like mind, but are not die-hard Swiftees.

Generally, the consensus of the bloggers is almost exactly the same as the comments in this thread. I saw a number of instances where the bloggers were asking how to see "Stolen Honor" (they were accomodated with links). It was also a consensus that Sinclair somehow "sold out." I was personally really surprised at how much support we're getting from these "outsiders."

Who knows, Sinclair's fiasco just might have generated more demand for seeing ALL of "Stolen Honor" than Sinclair ever could have done.

bk_mo · Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 3:22 am Post subject: Sinclair

Ladies and Gentleman you have witnessed once again what we are up against. I would suggest that you buy ammunition. While you can. This country has sat back on it's duff allowing these people to take a piece at a time. I think Sinclair set us up. I would guess the N.Y. times and everyone offering free viewing will laugh in our face for believing someone would actually show the truth. It's odd that Michael Moores documentary was carried on cable in full again. Something that just slipped through the cable stations. This was an orchastrated attempt to promote John Skerry tonight. To bring up president Bush's service ahead of a traitor.

I'm sick to my stomach, going to do nothing but pray for God to save us.
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shawa · CNO Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 2004

I agree Anker.
Now that I'm calming down, I'm looking for a positive out
of this disastrous program.
The only solace is that maybe some undecideds will
be curious enough to want to see Stolen Honor for themselves.

wednesdaychild · PO3 Joined: 06 Aug 2004 Posts: 276

according to the blogger site quoted on this thread, the dems don't trust sinclair even after they have "won". They expect they may try something else. I hope sinclair does b/c they are in the toliet anyhow and might as well try and redeem themselves. The dems will see to it they are somewhere behind educational channels if they don't do something. The dems plan on boycotting anyone who aired commercials on that program even if it was "fair". They are going to sink these people. I think if i was sinclair i'd make an heroic attempt to show how they blackmialed me. can't hurt. they are in the toliet now.but now the film name"stolen honor" is being banded about and some will want to see it.
sinclair has no guts. they caved to the enemy and they will hurt them anyhow.
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Denis · Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 3:48 am Post subject:

Okay, had this posted in another thread, and it was suggested that I move it, so:

Folks, I'm not sure it failed! Matter of fact, it may have been brilliant.

Of course I, as would most of you, would have wanted more rebuttal to such as 'Going Upriver' and Rassman version number whatever! My head was screaming 'But only one boat fled the scene!!!!'

Having said that, we are, the most of us, well versed in the depth of the stories. We know where the skeletons are, and where Kerry is hiding them.

That show, any such show, in one hour, even if it concentrated only on that, would not have accomplished the mission we sought. Further, such would have been dismissed out of hand, by exactly who that show has to reach- the undecided voters.

Ever hear of a 'feint', in military tactics?

That's what that show just pulled off. If the intent is to prevent Kerry from being elected, as opposed to any other satisfaction we may desire by other results, that show may have finalized that!

Look at the entire show, much of which was decidely normal and routine media pablum:

That pablum made the whole show appear as - a typical news show! Why gosh, they even spoke of accusations against Bush, and spoke to people making those charges!

Who, of all the folks in the whole hour, left the greatest impression, for character, intensity, thought, and simply - honor?

It was the POWs. That is what will linger in people's minds when all esle drops away.

What did the show do to Kerry elsewhere?

The sentient universe knows that the Kerryites tried to prevent this show from being aired! They've been screaming about boycotts, pressuring the FEC to bring charges, holding rallies, sending e-mails, urinating on themselves in public while frothing at the mouth - and what does that mean?

For the undecideds, who are not immersed on the Bay Hap river incident, or the Purple Heart incident on the Boston Whaler, it comes down to - why was Kerry and his folks so hysterical? The show shoewd both sides! Kerry was invited, and didn't come! Hissurrogates wailed and cried and boohooed...for what?

The Kerryites, including Big John, come across as something less than courageous people. They come across as very frightened folks, easily intimidated, who want to be rescued by others from bad things! In short, the subliminal message was - can you trust this man in a time of testing?

He panics!

Score one for the Swifties and POWs, even if by roundabout means!

Now the Kerryite Democrats have no argument about bias and unfairness to stand on...and they look like wimps. Anybody remember Bush going teary eyed over Farenheit 911?

It is now down to the undecideds. Everybody else has been locked and loaded. Nothing is going to shake out the vast bulk of Kerry supporters, and nothing is going to shake free the vast bulk of folks who will support Bush.

But for the several percentage points of folks who are the critical undecideds, for those who watched this show, even if just out of curiosity...they did not see something that can be merely dismissed as a partisan mud slinging.

Yeah, they even saw where Bush's record is challenged! They even saw where men who served with kerry say he was a great man!

But they also saw those POWs, those men who were tortured, and betrayed, at exactly the time that we have a new generation in harm's way.

The thing that will stick, over and over, is Kerry giving to the enemy what others took torture to avoid giving.

The Kerry supporters could come away from that show believing, truthfully, that they got some things out of it! The whole Winter Soldier thing went unchallenged! Yippee for them, and I felt the bile rising!

For those who believe Kerry is unfit for command, we got our shots in also, and the entire Kerry side loked like frightened rabbits! That was even made impossible to avoid when the show had a Kerry spokesman moaning that the show shouldn't even be on, which much have left a whole lot of folks scratching their heads!

And it was the kerry side that came across as being against free speech, period, when it might hurt Kerry.

If I were an undecided voter, still not sure of who to vote for, I'd be left with this:

Yeah, there are still these questions about Bush that even the show says we may never get the answers to! But Bush has been President for nearly four years - we know what he will do, because he has been doing it!

But Kerry, him we really don't know, except that this show scared the pants off him for some inexplicable reason, and those POWs were made to listen to that same John Kerry between bouts of torture!

What was he doing meeting with the enemy during a time of war? Yeah, we many of us really did think of the Vietnam Vet as a mixture of psycvho and drug sotted derelict, and why was that?

The show gave the undecided voter enough quesiness about Kerry that there is reason to vote against him, and that is exactly what is needed at this stage of the election. And that came about much more fairly, as even the show demonstrated, than CBS and Dan Rather did!

I think the POWs delivered the coup de grace, and the rest was puff, and the show, by precisely being mostly the normal media pap, robbed the Kerry folks of their ranting about partisanship.

We are not, at this site, the undecideds. It is how the show will have effected them that will doom Kerry, and on that score, I think the show might have been brilliant!

Everything the entire show presented has been seen and told over and over, whether about Bush, or CBS, or bloggers, or 527s, or everything else they showed and talked about except for - Kerry's testimony before the Senate and those POWs. They got more time on that show than any commercial could have delivered, and a commercial would have been seen by the undecideds as partisan.

I think this might have worked big time, even if it wasn't what I personally wanted - Kerry flayed alive by men who deserve the opportunity to do so!

It is about victory, and a successful feint is still a success, if the battle is won.

I think of every ten undecided who saw that show, if they were to break one way or the other, it would be four to one against Kerry. The show gave no reason to support Kerry that Kerry and the media haven't already given ad nauseum - but those POWs, and meeting with the enemy...that will stick!

Denis

PS

If you've seen the show, how does it compare with this hysterical panty wadding by the Kerryites, and I surely do hope that this is what the Hannity's of the world drive home! Note that the show presented a whole lot of folks, some of them Vets, with positions in the Democratic Party, or who are allied to Kerry, or who are Kerry supporters, and yet here the Kerryites attack POWs and Vets for the simple crime of - they have connections to Republicans or are Republicans! Meaning: only pro-Democrat Veterans are real honest Americans!

Thee folks do not come across as the seasoned and reasonable folks to deal with crisis, as Kerry boasts of himself! It looks like the whole gaggle freaked out over basically nothing! What will they and Kerry do in a real threatening situation? Kerry and his band of bleeders look like hysterical wimps who can't take any heat without meltdown! What happens if they are challenged by a nuclear North Korea, or a nuclear Iran, or Al Qaeda suddenly comes up with the 1,000 pounds of anthrax that even the UN says went missing in Iraq?

Guest · Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 4:12 am Post subject:

I cannot believe what I viewed this evening. It was so watered down and the Kerry people turned it into an info-commercial.....what a disservice to our Vets and POW's that served in Viet Nam. They had the gaul to show Up River.......all for money....now Sinclair has sold out a generation of Vets and POW's. Shame on them and below is the email my husband and I sent them.

It appears to be quite clear that pressure and threats from the liberal media and attorneys caused you to deviate from what was supposed to be an unflinching stall worth posture. The impression that was given by Sinclair Broadcasting was one of a determined effort to set forth a fair and thorough representation of the POW's position against John Kerry.

The special proved to be a disappointment. I observed a very cautious and somewhat intimidated presentation. Obviously a result of pressures from external as well as internal dissension.

We had placed much hope on Sinclair Broadcasting to fulfill a pledge made publically for unflinching support for the POW's cause of a platform for a intensive rebuttal to John Kerry and his anti-war efforts. Instead you provided the Kerry people a platform for an info-commercial.

Bare in mind John Kerry's film, Up River, is one mans version of an event against several mens accounts. You did a great disservice to the POW's and Veterans of the Viet Nam War. These men were slandered and disgraced by John Kerry's testimony in 1971.

The only conclusion that can be drawn is that once again money overrode conviction and principle. What a sad state of affairs now exists at Sinclair Broadcasting. Your word to these POW's takes on the same tone John Kerry's words took on in the 1971 testimony.

Simply put, shame on you. How you will ever be able to look these men in the eye and honestly say, "we had your best interest at heart"?"
A one time viewer is now no longer so. I challenge you to present this correspondence to your Board of Directors. The least you can do is uphold this request, because we understand now you have no conviction to present the truth or stand by the commitment you made to OUR POW's and VETERANS.

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neverforget · Vice Admiral Joined: 18 Jul 2004 Posts: 875

My local CBS channel just announced on the news that CBS will be showing Stolen Honor Sunday afternoon and Moore's propaganda piece in the evening.

Also, Lake havasu City, AZ Republican HQs had a bomb threat and Flagstaff HQs was broken into and vandalized.
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flagreen · Seaman Joined: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 175

eXcel · Seaman Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 174

Anyone else see the similarity here? :

Spain
Sinclair

its official, if your same starts with S and ends with ai- you are spineless.

Denis · Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 6:13 am Post subject:

msindependent · Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 6:21 am Post subject:

So, Moore get's prime time and Stolen Honor get's the afternoon. They better not do this nationwide or I'm going to sue all by myself. Moore found a way to get his piece of **** on after all. We have all been had.

Hammer2 · PO2 Joined: 30 Aug 2004 Posts: 387 Location: Texas

Martin Niemöller

"First they came for the Jews. I was silent. I was not a Jew. Then they came for the Communists. I was silent. I was not a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists. I was silent. I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for me. There was no one left to speak for me."

On resistance to Nazis, recalled on his death 6 Mar 84

We must redouble our efforts to stop these people cold! Send the download link to everyone you know. Time is short!
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Denis · Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 6:32 am Post subject: