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[Paul5388]

Sam,

It's already posted.
http://www.vdare.com/
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[Aristotle The Hun]

Well, what do ya think of that, he scooped me.

I'm not ready to make an official announcement. But go ahead and start rumors and post a link for the story to anyone and everyone.

Back to work on what I will puost on the main forum.

Sam
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[badbobusnret]

Bravo Zulu on your analysis of the IQ question Aristotle! You can a job conducting developmental aircraft test up here at Pax anytime!

My gut feel was that by being a fighter pilot, GW HAD to be "smarter" than Kerry, who was a "shoe" (please forgive me Swifties)! Not only is flying more fun, it sure beats standing endless watches looking at the horizon with binoculars (aviators opinion).

500 knot mind versus a 20 knot mind!

I wonder why, if Kerry spent his senior year at Yale "learning to fly" as reported, and his dad was a former test pilot, why didn't he opt for naval aviation? He doesn't seem to wear glasses. Did he try and fail? Was the committment longer? Was he just fearful of taking on the risk? Those are questions that'll never be asked- let alone answered!

[Aristotle The Hun]

I just realized that I did not post the article link on this forum.

http://www.vdare.com/sailer/kerry_iq_lower.htm

Sam
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[Aristotle The Hun]

New York Times – Kerry IQ exposed


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/24/politics/campaign/24points.html

Quote:

Secret Weapon for Bush?
By JOHN TIERNEY
Published: October 24, 2004

To Bush-bashers, it may be the most infuriating revelation yet from the military records of the two presidential candidates: the young George W. Bush probably had a higher I.Q. than did the young John Kerry.

That, at least, is the conclusion of Steve Sailer, a conservative columnist at the Web magazine Vdare.com and a veteran student of presidential I.Q.'s. During the last presidential campaign Mr. Sailer estimated from Mr. Bush's SAT score (1206) that his I.Q. was in the mid-120's, about 10 points lower than Al Gore's.

Mr. Kerry's SAT score is not known, but now Mr. Sailer has done a comparison of the intelligence tests in the candidates' military records. They are not formal I.Q. tests, but Mr. Sailer says they are similar enough to make reasonable extrapolations.

Mr. Bush's score on the Air Force Officer Qualifying Test at age 22 again suggests that his I.Q was the mid-120's, putting Mr. Bush in about the 95th percentile of the population, according to Mr. Sailer. Mr. Kerry's I.Q. was about 120, in the 91st percentile, according to Mr. Sailer's extrapolation of his score at age 22 on the Navy Officer Qualification Test.

Linda Gottfredson, an I.Q. expert at the University of Delaware, called it a creditable analysis said she was not surprised at the results or that so many people had assumed that Mr. Kerry was smarter. "People will often be misled into thinking someone is brighter if he says something complicated they can't understand," Professor Gottfredson said.

Many Americans still believe a report that began circulating on the Internet three years ago, and was quoted in "Doonesbury," that Mr. Bush's I.Q. was 91, the lowest of any modern American president. But that report from the non-existent Lovenstein Institute turned out to be a hoax.

You might expect Kerry campaign officials, who have worried that their candidate's intellectual image turns off voters, to quickly rush out a commercial trumpeting these new results, but for some reason they seem to be resisting the temptation.

Upon hearing of their candidate's score, Michael Meehan, a spokesman for the senator, said merely: "The true test is not where you start out in life, but what you do with those God-given talents. John Kerry's 40 years of public service puts him in the top percentile on that measure."
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[1991932]

[Navy_Navy_Navy]

[Aristotle The Hun]

Partial list of blogs carrying Kerry IQ story. Please feel fre to add links you are aware of and I will add to this post.

Thaks, Sam

http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/002906.html

http://thrasymachus.typepad.com/thras/

http://forums.santacruzsentinel.com/cgi-bin/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=000141&p=1

http://www.demosophia.com/

http://blogs.salon.com/0001561/

http://www.stargeek.com/item/124390.html

http://www.ockhamist.com/

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/

http://blogdex.net/

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/917376/posts

http://www.daypop.com/posts/

http://www.command-post.org/2004/

http://www.indcjournal.com/pda.html

http://www.2blowhards.com/archives/001715.html

http://www.baseballcrank.com/

http://www.socallawblog.com/

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/10/26/82947.shtml

http://www.inthebullpen.com/archives/2004/10/24/if-bush-is-stupid-kerry-is-stupid-er/

http://anticipatoryretaliation.mu.nu/archives/051555.php

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/051556.php

http://www.colbycosh.com/?cf0A28010B=V0hQXEdTSU1NT05TOm93aDoqRL22id7COuK1hpjN+2VP

http://www.cabalofdoom.com/

http://polyscifi.blogspot.com/

http://prairiepundit.blogspot.com/

http://www.dallasnews.com/

http://www.zachtei.nl/2004/10/24/000392.html

http://cayankee.blogs.com/cayankee/

http://www.unclemikey.blogspot.com/

http://vetterworld.blogspot.com/

https://registration.kansascity.com/
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[USMCWayne]

I was in a rush to get to work this AM, so didn't hear the entire story, but Fox and Friends was doing something on IQ's, indicating Bush's IQ was higher than Kerry's.

Mine was tested in 1970, and again this year. In both cases, it's a bit higher than Bush's, but does that qualify me to be the most powerful leader in the free world?

I wish. It barely qualifies me to be second-in-command to my wife.

I guess IQ's are an interesting way to justify or debunk our feelings about a candidate, but I've known some very bright people who were dumb as a post, and some very uneducated people who were some of the greatest thinkers on this planet.

I'm more impressed with Bush's ability to look at a problem, come to a conclusion on how to deal with the problem, and act on it. The man was born to be a Commander in Chief while Kerry, as I've stated elsewhere, is barely qualified to run the local dog pound.

[USMCWayne]

I just now noticed my good buddy 1991932 posted just above here. I'm not sure if he's ever been tested or not (for his IQ and not any communicable diseases) but Al makes me look like a mental midget.

He's one of the brightest guys I've known, yet has the common sense that comes from decades of being one of the few Republicans in Massachusetts. He was well on his way to being an F-4 jock when "they" noticed he had a bit of a eyesight problem. Not wanting to waste all of their hard-earned money, he ended up a GIB in one of the first F-4 squadrons in Vietnam (VMFA 323 The Death Rattlers).

Al's my hero but I won't be voting for him anytime soon. He has too many skeletons (don't we all?) and is a self-professed "war criminal". I think he's also second-in-command (isn't that the XO?) in his household. The guy just has NO leadership ability.

[badbobusnret]

USMCWayne hit it on the head

"I guess IQ's are an interesting way to justify or debunk our feelings about a candidate, but I've known some very bright people who were dumb as a post, and some very uneducated people who were some of the greatest thinkers on this planet..."

I think GW likes to be underestimated, like a lot of fighter pilots..while the "Fraud", narcisist that he is, likes to act superior.

USMCWayne- You may be deputy to CINC-wife (who isn't?) but you must have "mucho smarts" to be able to live in Montana!

[Aristotle The Hun]

I sent a "please verify" note to Steve Sailer who wrote the IQ article about the query from a fellow Swifty.

"I was in a rush to get to work this AM, so didn't hear the entire story, but Fox and Friends was doing something on IQ's, indicating Bush's IQ was higher than Kerry's."

Yes, I was on the Fox News cable channel Tuesday morning for about 3 or 4 minutes at about 8:44am. Seemed to go well, I wasn't on long enought to make humiliating mistakes, but we went over the basics of the story pretty satisfactorily.

Thanks,
Steve
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[Aristotle The Hun]

http://www.isteve.com/

Steve gives us an update on IQ story

Not many Kerry defenders defend Kerry's IQ -- I've received lots of angry responses to my recent article on Kerry's IQ claiming that Bush's IQ today must be much lower than how he tested as a youth, but not many claiming that Kerry is much smarter than I estimated. (A few have argued, reasonably, that Kerry would have scored higher on a more verbally-oriented tested than the Navy's Officer Qualification Test, a point I'd already suggested in my article.) After four years of Bush as President, everybody is entitled to an opinion on Bush, but Kerry remains much more of a closed book, which is why I brought to light some objective information about Kerry.

So, here's a non-partisan IQ question for Kerry supporters: How does Kerry compare to Al Gore, for whom we have a lot of data: Gore tested at an IQ of 133 when entering high school and 134 when leaving, 1355 SAT score (about 1420 under the post 1994 scoring system)? All these numbers suggest Gore was solidly in the 98th, maybe the 99th, percentile. Gore probably would not get into Harvard today with those scores, if he wasn't the son of a Senator, but he could probably get into several Ivy League colleges. In contrast, my estimate for Kerry is roughly between the 90th and 95th percentiles. Any Kerry supporters out there want to argue that Kerry is smarter than Gore? As smart as Gore?
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[Aristotle The Hun]

After the election this quote will be amended. New version below

Does anyone in America doubt that Bush has a higher IQ than Kerry? I'm sure the candidates' SATs and college transcripts would put Bush far ahead."

Howell Raines
- Former Executive Editor of the New York Times

Sam
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[Aristotle The Hun]

Here is what Steve Sailer contributes


http://www.isteve.com/

My Kerry IQ story makes the NBC Nightly News:

Brokaw: Someone has analyzed the President's military aptitude tests and yours, and concluded that he has a higher IQ than you do.

Kerry: That's great. More power. I don't know how they've done it, because my record is not public. So I don't know where you're getting that from.

Brokaw: Do you think he's a smart man?

Kerry: I do. Yes, I do think he's a smart man.

Brokaw: Do you think too many people in your party underestimate?

Kerry: I think people have always underestimated President Bush. But I'm proud that in those debates, I didn't underestimate him.

Well, actually, Kerry's campaign did release his Officer Qualification Test score on this Acrobat PDF on the www.JohnKerry.com website. Yet, even though huge numbers of Kerry's supporters and detractors pored over this dump of documents on Kerry's military record, the first person who seems to have noticed the significance of that one document was Sam Sewell, a Navy vet and minister in Florida who works with gifted children with learning disabilities. Because I'd written articles in the past on candidates' IQ, he called it to my attention about a month ago, and I spent three weeks interviewing military psychometricians and reading old military reports to figure out how to interpret Kerry's score and how to compare it to Bush's scores on the somewhat similar Air Force Officer Qualifying Test.

I am in the process of educating Steve to the 180 issue.

Sam
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