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[Hammer2]

Kimberley, here are some pithy comments by the master that apply to the clown who sent you that rant:

"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject."

"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on."

"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened."

"No folly is more costly than the folly of intolerant idealism."

Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill
British statesman, soldier, and author
Lived: 1874–1965
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"An armed society is a polite society" - Thomas Jefferson
"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it won't be needed until someone tries to take it away." -- Thomas Jefferson

[Frank B]

kimberly:

Looking at that foul smelling response, it was evident that person wasn't interested in the truth. People who aren't rigid in their thinking don't resort to sewer talk in presenting and seeking facts. That's not any way to become enlightened. But for people like Garbage Mouth, facts confuse and distort their focus, which is bad for their tunnel vision. Enlightenment is not a comfortable feeling for the Leftist. Getting past his tirade, it soon becomes clear that this individual is another rote thinker and prefers to feed out of same trough of like-thinkers. His stuck-in-the-mud reference to Bush's Air Guard service, which is no longer an issue with free-thinkers, is one example. Another is the "shot in the a**" reference to Kerry's PH wound, which was definitely NOT a SHOT in the a**. Maybe a piece of rice, maybe a metal sliver....but definitely not worthy of a PH, considering the circumstances of where and how it was inflicted and how it was treated!!

Take away all the foul language and you still have somebody who doesn't listen to the truth nor does he seek it out. Whether he is comfortable with that doesn't bother me so much as knowing that there are too darned many like him out there and their numbers are growing, thanks to a socialist education system in this country.

God forbid Kerry and his cronies take over this country with the support of people like Garbage Mouth. We have to make sure that will not happen.
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[GT]

To Kimberly's question as to why liberal young people now are acting the way they are (I think liberals have always acted like rabid nuts - it's reached a crescendo now, though): in addition to that mentioned about liberal indoctrination in the schools, we also need look no further than their parents. Their parents raised them to be disrespectful, either by neglect or by indulgence of their spoiled-brat-itis. Chances are they have liberals for parents.

[sleeplessinseattle]

[momofthreegirls]

Another thing it probably has to do with is how people over used "positive reinforcement." The teachers and the parents kept telling the kids how wonderful they were and how everything they did was great. They stopped giving them letter grades (it might hurt their widdle feewings) and stopped using red ink. So these kids grew up thinking they were wonderful and knew everything and now how dare we question their opinions. Don't we know they are the greatest thing that ever happened to this country? These children are the results of Outcome Based Education aka Mastery Learning. As a former teacher I understand that the education system has a lot to answer for, we listened too much to psychologists and not enough to grandparents. As a mother I listen to my grandmother's advice and the best advice she ever gave was this: "I don't want to raise children that people hate to see coming." I have adhered to this advice and consequently get lots of compliments on my girls behavior (they are not perfect but for the most part well behaved).
I once said that I would never return to teaching because of these problems.

[Dabba55]

I would just like to say that reading through all these posts has been extremely thought provoking.

I sincerely appreciate the time you folks have taken to share your thoughts. I probably won't sleep tonight...going over it in my mind.

I do believe that our enemies would be thrilled to know that the infidels are preparing to tear each other apart. We must not do it.

[air force brat]

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=4&section=0&article=53398&d=25&m=10&y=2004

Arabs Worried About the Impact of ‘Second US Civil War’
Amir Taheri, Arab News

JEDDAH, 25 October 2004 — Normally it is Washington that worries about stability in Arab countries.

These days, however, there is much official nail biting in Arab capitals over the threat of instability in the United States.

“What we are witnessing in the United States is their second civil war,” says an Arab diplomat posted to Washington. “The difference is that this war is waged in the media, in churches, on the hustings, and inside many American homes.”

That next week’s presidential election is the closest in US history seems certain. What is causing concern in Arab and other capitals is that the intense passions unleashed by both sides could provoke instability and violence regardless of who wins.

Arab diplomats, speaking on condition of anonymity, claim that the Democrats, many of whom believe their party was robbed of victory in 2000, are determined to fight hard to dislodge President George W. Bush from the White House.

Fears that the “American street” might explode, in the fashion often attributed to the “Arab street,” may well be exaggerated. But the possibility of US government becoming paralyzed for weeks, if not months, as a result of disputes over election results cannot be discounted.

Both President Bush and his Democrat challenger Sen. John Kerry start from a solid support base of around 40 percent of the electorate each. The remaining 20 percent consists of undecided or floating voters whose decision could affect the outcome in 12 states still up for grabs.

In the 2000 presidential election the closeness of the results in the state of Florida provoked a legal duel that was ultimately decided by the US Supreme Court. This time the experience of Florida could be repeated in many other states.

Both Republicans and Democrats have already set up legal headquarters in Florida, New Mexico, Arizona, Colorado, Nevada, Oregon, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Ohio, West Virginia and New Hampshire. Most polls show the two candidates neck-and-neck in those states. That means the outcome could be decided by a few dozen or a few hundred votes. Some of the states have laws under which if the margin of victory is less than half of one percent a recount is automatically conducted. Others have no such laws, forcing the loser to take the matter to court on other grounds such as possible fraud.

The Florida fight in 2000 dragged on for more than a month. Similar fights in a dozen or more states could last longer. And that could put American decision-making on autopilot, so to speak.

“The prospect of the US being unable to take urgent decisions for months cannot be taken lightly,” suggests an Arab diplomat. “Such paralysis could be dangerous in our region where the situation remains volatile. The war in Iraq, the dispute over Iran’s nuclear ambitions, the UN fight with Syria over Lebanon, and the Israeli plan to withdraw from Gaza cannot be put on the backburner for months.”

The calendar of events for the three months ahead is unusually full in the region.

• Three weeks after the American election Egypt will host an international conference, in Sharm al-Sheikh on the future of Iraq. A lame-duck US administration bogged down in domestic electoral disputes would lack the clout and he credibility to provide leadership.

• A few days after that the International Atomic Energy Agency will have to decide whether to refer Iran to the United Nations’ Security Council for an allegedly illegal nuclear program.

• Also in November Hamed Karzai is scheduled to be sworn in as the first directly elected president of Afghanistan, and to form a new Cabinet. Again, the US is required to play a central role in bringing the rival factions together to ensure a smooth transition to a pluralist system in Kabul.

• Early in December UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan is scheduled to report on Syria’s compliance with resolution 1559 that requires the withdrawal of foreign troops from Lebanon. Political paralysis in Washington could render action impossible, thus deepening the crisis in Lebanon.

• In January, Iraq is scheduled to hold elections for a Constituent Assembly to approve the draft of a new constitution for submission to popular vote in a referendum. The perception that the US is too pre-occupied with domestic electoral disputes to focus on Iraqi elections could encourage the forces that are fighting to disrupt the process of democratization in Baghdad.

• In February, Israel is expected to start withdrawing troops from Gaza. This would require American leadership in forming an international peacekeeping force.

If Bush wins the Democrats are certain to do all they can to delay the finalization of the results through litigation.

But even if Kerry wins, the transition might not be as smooth as in 2000. The Republicans are likely to retain control of the Senate; and that would give them the possibility of delaying the formation of a Kerry administration by vetoing his nominees for key posts.

“It may be exaggerated that we are biting our nails in worry,” says an Arab official. “But we need contingency plans to cope with a situation in which the US is busy with its domestic fights.”



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[Inatizzy]

Good, maybe the rest of the world should be shaking in their boots....maybe everyone will see just how dependent all these other countries are on the good ole slandered USA.

This is really getting dirty. The fact that the UK Guardian basically called for the assassination of GWB says alot. In times past that kind of inflamatory rhetoric would have been verboten,.....but not anymore. It seems a line has been crossed.

In the past the fighting was kept to words, but now the Dems have stepped over a line and are physically attacking Republican offices and physically intimidating people at polling places, stealing signs, keying cars with Bush stickers on them etc. A line has been crossed. Physical violence is now the order of the day.....and they feel like they are completely justified in doing it.

Did anyone listen to Drudge last night? He played a tape by C-Span that had Ms. Fatty Edwards answering a question and it went like this.

Questioner: "I'm concerned about rioting after the election no matter who wins. Isn't this a concern. Aren't you afraid there will be riots?"

Ms Edwards: "There won't be riots if we win".

Do you get what she is saying? ONLY if THEY win there won't be riots. If they don't win......then there will probably be riots. It was a very subtle threat of violence if they don't win.

I believe GWB is going to win by a healthy margin, and I also believe that there will be rioting and violence when he does. These lefty loonies believe in intimidation through force. They really think they can undo the election by force. GWB, I'm afraid, will have to make some of the hardest decisions of his life at that time. The leftists will be counting on him not having the gonads to squelch the violence and him being intimidated.

I sincerely hope and pray Im dead WRONG......but I don't think I am.

[BuffaloJack]

Why would the arabs be worried about the impact of a ‘Second US Civil War’? They should mind their own business unless they like playin' cowboys and arabs.
There have been plenty of US elections more vicious than this one. Americans are passionate about their politics, we're also pasionate about being Americans. Anyone attempting to overthrow our government will be surprised indeed by the way we can come together against adversity on a moment's notice.
Some of my very best friends are Democrats and Liberals. I may not agree with their politics for this election, but they're still my friends and I'd protect them with with my life.