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reconflyer Seaman
Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 168 Location: West Texas USA
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Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 2:16 am Post subject: |
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Of course, no one will look at the Geneva Conventions, which state:
Historical basis in international law and practice
Prisoners of war
The Geneva Convention relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War, 12 August (1949) (GCIII) of 1949 defines the requirements for a captive to be eligible for treatment as a Prisoner of war. A lawful combatant is a person who commits belligerent acts but if captured, would be a considered POW. An unlawful combatant is someone who commits belligerent acts, but does not qualify under GCIII Articles 4 and 5.
Article 4
A. Prisoners of war, in the sense of the present Convention, are persons belonging to one of the following categories, who have fallen into the power of the enemy:
1. Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict as well as members of militias or volunteer corps forming part of such armed forces.
2. Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements, belonging to a Party to the conflict and operating in or outside their own territory, even if this territory is occupied, provided that such militias or volunteer corps, including such organized resistance movements, fulfil the following conditions:
(a) That of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;
(b) That of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance;
(c) That of carrying arms openly;
(d) That of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.
3. Members of regular armed forces who profess allegiance to a government or an authority not recognized by the Detaining Power.
4. Persons who accompany the armed forces without actually being members thereof, such as civilian members of military aircraft crews, war correspondents, supply contractors, members of labour units or of services responsible for the welfare of the armed forces, provided that they have received authorization from the armed forces which they accompany, who shall provide them for that purpose with an identity card similar to the annexed model.
5. Members of crews [of civil ships and aircraft], who do not benefit by more favourable treatment under any other provisions of international law.
6. Inhabitants of a non-occupied territory, who on the approach of the enemy spontaneously take up arms to resist the invading forces, without having had time to form themselves into regular armed units, provided they carry arms openly and respect the laws and customs of war.
B. The following shall likewise be treated as prisoners of war under the present Convention:
1. Persons belonging, or having belonged, to the armed forces of the occupied country...
In other words, the country was well within its rights not to afford POW status to many of the illegal combatants.
WHY IS THIS A BOMBSHELL? _________________ Active duty AF 1986-Present
Enlisted Aircrew 1990-Present |
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twicearound PO2
Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 362 Location: San Antonio
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Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 2:42 am Post subject: |
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Don't know if it is a bombshell, it's just the spin machine it comes out of, but in light of this apparent weapons blunder hopefully their spin of this will fall on deaf ears. _________________ twicearound |
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Anker-Klanker Admiral
Joined: 04 Sep 2004 Posts: 1033 Location: Richardson, TX
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Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 2:54 am Post subject: |
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People, people, people... You're trying to use linear logic here, and it just plain does not apply. These stories aren't about their content. They are about throwing something - anything - out there that might hurt Kerry's opponent. The subject matter isn't important, nor are the facts. What matters is that it can be spun enough to make some idiot voters believe it.
You can argue the content with the voter (if you can find him or her), but it ain't going to stop this propaganda blitz. |
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reconflyer Seaman
Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 168 Location: West Texas USA
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Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 2:57 am Post subject: |
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you're right, Anker...
This is going to be a long week for me.
We know the onslaught is coming.
Keep yer heads low, brothers and sisters, and keep yer powder dry...
We're going to be alright...
still, they can all jump up a fat hog's @ss for all I care. _________________ Active duty AF 1986-Present
Enlisted Aircrew 1990-Present |
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SWVTsupporter Ensign
Joined: 20 Aug 2004 Posts: 51
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Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 3:47 am Post subject: Kerry eats crow less than 12 hours after opening his mouth.. |
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XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX MON OCT 25 2004 22:45:05 ET XXXXX
NBCNEWS: HUGE CACHE OF EXPLOSIVES VANISHED FROM SITE IN IRAQ -- AT LEAST 18 MONTHS AGO -- BEFORE TROOPS ARRIVED
The NYTIMES urgently reported on Monday in an apprent October Surprise: The Iraqi interim government has warned the United States and international nuclear inspectors that nearly 380 tons of powerful conventional explosives are now missing from one of Iraq's most sensitive former military installations.
Jumping on the TIMES exclusive, Dem presidential candidate John Kerry blasted the Bush administration for its failure to "guard those stockpiles."
"This is one of the great blunders of Iraq, one of the great blunders of this administration," Kerry said.
In an election week rush:
**ABCNEWS Mentioned The Iraq Explosives Depot At Least 4 Times
**CBSNEWS Mentioned The Iraq Explosives Depot At Least 7 Times
**MSNBC Mentioned The Iraq Explosives Depot At Least 37 Times
**CNN Mentioned The Iraq Explosives Depot At Least 50 Times
But tonight, NBCNEWS reported: The 380 tons of powerful conventional explosives were already missing back in April 10, 2003 -- when U.S. troops arrived at the installation south of Baghdad!
An NBCNEWS crew embedded with troops moved in to secure the Al-Qaqaa weapons facility on April 10, 2003, one day after the liberation of Iraq.
According to NBCNEWS, the HMX and RDX explosives were already missing when the American troops arrived.
It is not clear why the NYTIMES failed to inform readers how the cache had been missing for 18 months -- and was reportedly missing before troops even arrived.
The TIMES left the impression the weapons site had been looted since Iraq has been under US control.
[In a fresh Page One story set for Tuesday on the matter, the TIMES once again omits any reference to troops not finding any explosives at the site when they arrived in April of 2003. Attempts to reach managing editor Jill Abramson late Monday were unsuccessful.]
"The U.S. Army was at the site one day after the liberation and the weapons were already gone," a top Republican blasted from Washington late Monday.
The International Atomic Energy Agency inspectors last saw the explosives in January 2003 when they took an inventory and placed fresh seals on the bunkers.
Dem vp hopeful John Edwards blasted Bush for not securing the explosives: "It is reckless and irresponsible to fail to protect and safeguard one of the largest weapons sites in the country. And by either ignoring these mistakes or being clueless about them, George Bush has failed. He has failed as our commander in chief; he has failed as president."
A senior Bush official e-mailed DRUDGE late Monday: "Let me get this straight, are Mr. Kerry and Mr. Edwards now saying we did not go into Iraq soon enough? We should have invaded and liberated Iraq sooner?"
Top Kerry adviser Joe Lockhart fired back Monday night: "In a shameless attempt to cover up its failure to secure 380 tons of highly explosive material in Iraq, the White House is desperately flailing in an effort to escape blame. Instead of distorting John Kerry’s words, the Bush campaign is now falsely and deliberately twisting the reports of journalists. It is the latest pathetic excuse from an administration that never admits a mistake, no matter how disastrous."
Developing...
Ha...I love it. I love it. If Kerry wins, he'll be the 1st President to govern from the editorial page of the daily newspaper. Talk about getting OWNED! |
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