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azpatriot
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| Kimmymac wrote: | I think what turned the tide in Florida was dmack and her triumph at the Battle of the Bingo Board.
If you haven't read that thread, titled "The Poll that Almost Was"--well, shame on you. |
I totaly agree Florida had a MACK ATTACK! 
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| Heard where Bush had rapped up the Jewish vote in Florida...Kerry will focus on Ohio and hope that one of his lies will stick.. |
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Apparently the DNC plans on suing themselves to victory...
| Quote: | Democrats file 9 suits in Florida
By Jerry Seper
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Democrats in Florida already are pursuing nine election-related lawsuits, accusing state election officials of conspiring to disenfranchise minority voters.
Led by the Florida Democratic Party, the People for the American Way, the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees and the AFL-CIO, the lawsuits target, among others, Florida Secretary of State Glenda Hood, who was appointed by Republican Gov. Jeb Bush, President Bush's brother.
The suits say Republican officials refused to count provisional ballots, improperly disqualified incomplete voter registrations, established overly restrictive rules to disproportionately hurt minority voters and actively sought to disenfranchise blacks.
Matt Miller, a spokesman for the Kerry campaign, said Republicans are "trying to scare people away from the polls."
But Mrs. Hood's spokesman, Alia Faraj, described the lawsuits as politically motivated, saying they were eroding public confidence in the election process by challenging "every single law we are following."
One suit challenges a ruling by Mrs. Hood to throw out forms on which new voters had failed to check a box indicating whether they were U.S. citizens, and another argued that although only 17 percent of the voters in Broward County and 20 percent in Miami-Dade County were black, more than a third of the voter-registration forms that were determined to be incomplete and invalid in both counties involved black voters.
The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) has successfully challenged a ruling on how counties with touch-screen voting should conduct manual recounts. The state had banned the recounts, but an administrative-law judge agreed with the ACLU challenge and tossed that rule in August.
Mr. Bush's campaign manager, Ken Mehlman, yesterday predicted that Mr. Kerry would employ "fraud, intimidation and lawsuits" in an attempt to overturn a Bush victory on Tuesday. He said if Democrats lose at the ballot box, they would use lawyers "to try to shoehorn a victory."
"What you're seeing is an attempt, through lawsuits and through intimidation, by Democrats to convert their allies' registration fraud into voter fraud on Election Day," he said. "What you're going to see is an attempt by them, regardless of what the outcome is, to say: 'It's unfair. We're going to sue.' "
Republican National Committee (RNC) Chairman Ed Gillespie said the lawsuits are part of a Democratic plan to "use lawyers and baseless allegations to skew the results in their favor." He said the RNC thinks that "no legitimate voter should be disenfranchised, either by being denied a vote or by having an honest vote canceled out by a fraudulent vote."
Mr. Gillespie said teams of Democratic lawyers will seek to change the rules in ways that would make it easier to engage in systematic voter fraud on Election Day.
"The American people should be confident that legitimate voters casting legitimate votes determine the outcome of this election," he said.
Democratic National Committee (DNC) Chairman Terry McAuliffe has accused Republicans of engaging in "systematic efforts" to disenfranchise voters, imposing unlawful identification requirements on voters, throwing eligible voters off the rolls and depriving voters of their right to cast a provisional ballot.
"Regardless of party or candidate, it is the civic and moral duty of both parties to encourage complete and full participation in the democratic process," he said in a recent letter to Mr. Gillespie.
In 2000, the Supreme Court ruled 5-4 that a Florida recount be halted after 36 days, giving the state's 25 Electoral College votes to Mr. Bush, which put him in the White House. The high court, according to public statements by several justices, did not think the ruling would prompt a flood of lawsuits in future federal, state and local elections. But both major parties since have hired an army of lawyers to respond to potential legal challenges this year.
The DNC has 10,000 lawyers on call, including six "SWAT squads" that are ready to deploy on the orders of Mr. Kerry and his campaign staff. The team is headed by Steven Zack, whose law partner, David Boies, argued for former Vice President Al Gore before the Supreme Court in 2000.
The RNC is coordinating a countervailing force of lawyers to respond to voter challenges in 30,000 key precincts, mostly battleground states. The effort is being directed through Republican state party officials. Former Bush administration Solicitor General Theodore B. Olson, who argued for Mr. Bush in the Supreme Court case, is expected to be a key player in any Republican legal challenges.
"We will have the folks on the ground, we will have the strategy to deal with that and we will protect the integrity of the election process," Mr. Mehlman said.
In 2001, the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights said after a three-month investigation that the Florida presidential election was rife with "injustice" and "ineptitude" that resulted in the disenfranchisement of black voters.
But two members of the eight-member panel, Abigail Thernstrom, a Republican, and Russell G. Redenbaugh, an independent, disputed the findings in a 50-page dissent, saying commission investigators used flawed data to justify a "preconceived, partisan belief" the election was marred by discrimination and disfranchisement of minority voters.
Mrs. Thernstrom said at the time that a more rigorous statistical analysis showed that race was unrelated to the rate of ballot spoilage and that no evidence supported accusations of disfranchisement or discrimination of minorities. She said the Florida election was "hampered only by problems that were neither motivated by racial discrimination nor served to disfranchise minority voters."
During hearings in Tallahassee, Fla., the commission called three black voters to substantiate what the panel said was a "conspiracy" to block minority voters from polling places, but none of three could show that they had been denied their right to vote. No other witnesses were called.
John Nelson, the Rev. Willie D. Whiting and Roberta Tucker, all of Tallahassee, testified under oath that they had concerns and had read about problems concerning voter irregularities, but all of them voted at their polling precincts.
Mr. Nelson said he saw unmanned police cars near different polling places on Election Day and thought that was "unusual." Mrs. Tucker said she was detained at a routine police driver's license checkpoint that had been functioning for weeks before the election, but was waved on after producing her valid license. Mr. Whiting said his name had been purged by mistake from the voting rolls when he had inaccurately been identified as a felon, but was allowed to vote after a call to an election supervisor.
Commission Chairman Mary Frances Berry, an independent who has supported Democratic candidates and causes, said at the time that even though none of the witnesses had been denied access to a polling site, "we know some bad things happened."
•Bill Sammon contributed to this article.
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Spiess
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 9:46 am Post subject: |
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| He pulled adds out of Colorado as well |
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CTW
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When they file the lawsuits here in Florida you know they have lost.
I am voting this week. I was going to vote the first day but decided to wait so I was more confident the machines etc were not going to be a problem. I didn't want to hear all the early votes were lost. But I just can't wait.
We still have those obnoxious Dem ads. I just don't watch tv but when I do "check" there they are!
Florida=RED STATE CTW
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| Sean Hannity was talking on Monday about a rally that Bush had in FL over the weekend with over 35,000 in attendance while on the same day Edwards had a rally in the same city (I believe it was Jacksonville) with only 1,200 attending. I see all of the Democrat lawyers in FL as an indicator that they know it will go Bush. |
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that was funny 
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The Democrats cannot lose Florida, it is the only thing that gives legitimacy to their claim that the Bush stole the 2000 election from Gore. A Florida Democratic loss would give credence to the fact that there is/was support for Bush in Florida.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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| They have NOT pulled out of Florida. Kerry is scheduled for 2 more trips to the state. Edwards may be sent in before Tuesday. |
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jataylor11
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Woodrow wrote: | | They have NOT pulled out of Florida. Kerry is scheduled for 2 more trips to the state. Edwards may be sent in before Tuesday. |
Yep but Edwards only draws 2,000 people at most. Kerry will rethink and go to NJ instead. Kerry misses out on NJ and we will be sleeping by 11:00 pm on Nov. 2 --- all happy, peaceful, and joyful.
I heard on Fox last night that 40% of the Jewish vote is for President Bush. If 40% of Broward and Dade county Jewish votes go to President Bush, Mel Martinez pulls in both the Cuban vote and the hispanic vote for President Bush ( a reverse coattails thing), plus double the black vote --- President Bush would just miss out on the South Beach (Rosie & her 38 friends) gay vote... it could be that President Bush could possibly be close to even in these counties ... Northern Florida is all President Bush country....
JEB has done an outstanding job with the post hurricane relief --- RESULT
PRESIDENT BUSH CARRIES FLORIDA IN A LANDSLIDE IN THE STATE..
Last night someone on Fox said we could make dinner reservations for 10:30 p.m. on Tuesday ---- meaning it would be over for skerry by then ---- he can go crawl back to his gigolo life.
Additional point: --- this campaign is the hardest skerry has ever worked in his life  ---- too bad hard work doesn't kill ya (sorry secret service -- but I detest skerrry)  |
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Steve Z
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 3:27 pm Post subject: Kerry out of Florida? |
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I find it hard to believe that Kerry would give up on Florida. With 27 electoral votes, it's the biggest of the 2000 red states where Kerry has a fighting chance--he certainly can't win Texas, and he's got CA and NY in the bag!!!
For Kerry, betting the whole election on OH would be political suicide. It's not obvious that he will win there, and even if Bush loses OH (and keeps FL), Bush can win by winning any two of WI, IA, and MN, not to mention distinct possibilities in NM and HI. Bush has small leads in WI, IA, NM, and HI, and MN is very close.
If Kerry abandons FL, he would have to win PA, OH, NM, NH, AND at least two of WI, MN, and IA. But he is trailing in WI, IA, and NM, and OH is nearly tied. Since Kerry is a Red Sox fan, maybe he's betting on a sweep!
But, maybe those Swiftie ads in FL have had their desired effect!!!
I'm trying to put my two votes worth in--I sent a "Stolen Valor" DVD to my parents who vote in PA--I hope it sways them!
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This falls into the "better late than never category", but Tony Snow and Juan Williams were on BOR last night. That's where this was discussed. Tony Snow was pretty definite, and Juan Williams rather reluctantly agreed. I don't know that they said Kerry was pulling out of FL, but basically that the contest was over.
Maybe the transcript is on FOX. |
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| Quote: | | Matt Miller, a spokesman for the Kerry campaign, said Republicans are "trying to scare people away from the polls." |
The Dems keep trying to imply that regular, honest voters would somehow be scared away from the polls, yet nobody has ever explained why an honest voter would be scared away even if their vote was challenged.
The unspoken message is that the cheaters and frauds would be scared away, and they all happen to be Democrat Kerry supporters.
| Quote: | In 2001, the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights said after a three-month investigation that the Florida presidential election was rife with "injustice" and "ineptitude" that resulted in the disenfranchisement of black voters.
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Mary Frances Berry is a horrible little troll that uses this commission to attack Republicans every single chance she has, for reasons that will become obvious after reading the following from National Review Online Archives:
http://www.nationalreview.com/flashback/flashback-miller062701.shtml
| Quote: | “A Threat to Our Domestic Institutions”
High times for a racial ambulance chaser.
By John J. Miller, NR’s national political reporter
From the April 2, 2001, issue of National Review
These are glory days for Mary Frances Berry. After years of neglect, the head of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights is back in the news. The voting mess in Florida last November is one of the best things ever to happen to her. Thanks to her commission's subpoena powers, she's been able to pull off a feat that other left-wing activists could only dream of doing: dragging Gov. Jeb Bush and Florida secretary of state Katherine Harris in front of her panel and treating them with the full dose of disrespect they deserve for denying Al Gore the presidency. When Bush showed up for his grilling in the ballroom of a Holiday Inn on January 11, the governor had barely leaned into his microphone — "I didn't get to have an opening remark, but I'm pleased that you're here and . . ." — before Berry cut him off. "If you have any opening remarks, you will submit them for the record, and we're sorry we don't have time," she snapped. It was difficult to hear Bush complete his sentence: ". . . we welcome you to Tallahassee." Berry spent the entire time treating him with contempt, and then denounced Harris's testimony as "laughable." There was another hearing a month later, in Miami, and Berry has promised more still. She says she'll subpoena Bush again for a new round of browbeating. She's loving every minute of it.
Mary Frances Berry is one of the ambulance chasers of the civil-rights movement. Every hiccup in American race relations finds her sprinting to the scene, ready to exploit and agitate. When New York City police officers shot an unarmed Amadou Diallo, she was there — and her pliant commission banged out a hasty and half-baked report on brutality just as the would-be Senate race between Hillary Clinton and Mayor Rudy Giuliani was intensifying. When Jesse Jackson screamed about the suspensions of black high-school students who rioted in Decatur, Ill., she threw the credibility of her commission behind the bogus charges. When the country was treated to a black-church-burning scare — a hoax — she went into hysterics. She hollered about racism, and simply couldn't stomach the thought that certain conservatives were willing to help. When the Christian Coalition offered to pay for rebuilding efforts, she said, "You have the very people who created the context for the fires rushing over and saying, `Let us help you put them out."'
Now she has targeted the Sunshine State, and people are paying attention. At the commission's meeting on March 9, she boasted that her panel is the only branch of the government at any level conducting an investigation of voting — rights abuses in Florida. She promises a full report by the first week of June, but there's no question what it will find. "Voter disenfranchisement appears to be at the heart of the issue," she said, reading from a statement the commission then adopted, even though it failed to cite a single example of intentional discrimination on the part of any Florida official. Commissioners Russell Redenbaugh and Abigail Thernstrom objected, but Berry gaveled them into silence.
Berry has gone on the warpath against the Bush brothers before. Last spring, she attacked Jeb Bush's plan to phase out race-based admissions at Florida colleges and universities. (Bush's proposal is "no substitute for strong, raceconscious affirmative action," she said.) She was so desperate to attack Bush, she violated commission rules by failing to announce in the Federal Register that her statement would be discussed at the next monthly meeting and instead pushed it through on less than a week's notice — so that its release would coincide with a legal action taken by the NAACP and NOW She rejected an offer to meet with Bush before putting out the statement, and later penned an article for the now-defunct black — activist magazine Emerge on Bush's "One Florida" plan. It was entitled "Jeb Crow."
Berry insists that she's on a "factfinding" mission in Florida, but her crusade is plainly partisan. Last fall, she protested the presidential-election result when it was still uncertain. "We are either in a position in the next few weeks — those of us who believe in the cause of human rights near and far — of having to mobilize, nudge, and use our elbows to make sure that Al Gore stays on the right path," she said at a community college in New York on November 17. "Or we're in a position of having to mobilize for an all-out campaign to make the Bush administration disavow some of the things that they stood for [in the campaign]." Since then, her anger has only grown. "The fundamental bedrock of our country has been torn asunder," she declared on January 15 in St. Louis. "We have a duty, and I think that Martin Luther King would agree, that this [election result] is an important issue, a threat to our domestic institutions."
Berry is something of an expert on threats to our domestic institutions. In Long Memory, a book she coauthored in 1982, she said, "Blacks shared so many of the economic goals of the Communists that many of them might be described as fellow travelers." Yet "blacks remained cool to the Communists .... Subjected to a massive barrage of propaganda from the American news media, few of them knew about Russia's constitutional safeguards for minorities, the extent of the equality of opportunity, or the equal provision of social services to its citizens." About black Americans in the 1960s, she noted, "The threat of genocide was real. It was roughly comparable to the threat faced by the Jews in the 1930s."
So Berry has been out of touch with reality for some time. Even Democrats know this. The U.S. Commission on Civil Rights would have been a perfect venue for President Clinton's race initiative several years ago, but Clinton sidestepped it entirely. That was a sensible choice: Not only has Berry damaged the commission's integrity, she has allowed it to suffer painful levels of incompetence. In 1997, the General Accounting Office labeled it "an agency in disarray." Nobody in the White House or Congress has bothered to push for a funding increase in years, despite fastpaced government growth; the commission's budget has stalled at a bit under $9 million.
As the Bush administration gets around to replacing leftover Clinton personnel at the commission — specially the vital staff-director position — Berry's grip on its activities will loosen. The commission might even begin to take on the bipartisan cast it was meant to have when it was created in 1957 (right before the black-genocide threat). But Berry will fight hard to keep that from happening, and to stay in personal control. In fact, she's secretly hatching her most brazen power play yet — one that may cause President Bush an enormous headache a few years from now.
Each of the body's eight commissioners is supposed to serve a term lasting six years, with appointments coming separately from the White House and both parties in Congress. Berry has been on the commission for nearly two decades, and her latest term began when Clinton named her to one of the presidential slots. She technically succeeded Connie Homer, whom the first President Bush had picked for the job in the final hours of his presidency. Homer's term expired on December 5, 1998. These were busy days for Clinton-impeachment by the House, a trial in the Senate — and he didn't get around to Berry until January 26, 1999. But Berry's six-year term didn't actually begin that day. The clock started ticking the moment Horner departed, nearly two months earlier. In other words, Bush will have the ability to select her successor. But when the federal Plum Book, which lists every political job in government, came out this winter, it said Berry's service will conclude on January 21, 2005 — one day after the next inauguration. The source of this datum is the commission itself, which means that Berry is consciously trying to put herself out of Bush's reach. Yet the White House clerk's office, staffed by career bureaucrats, confirms that its records show Berry's term ending in December 2004. The Bush White House will want to resolve this discrepancy on its own terms, and soon. Berry surely intends to cry racism when a fight breaks out, and Bush won't want to be heading into retirement when that happens.
The whole thing hinges on who wins the next election, of course. If Bush prevails, it won't much matter if Berry stays on for a few extra weeks. But if he doesn't, and this problem hasn't been righted, he may be denied a small but meaningful opportunity to shape the government he leaves behind.
So remember: When Mary Frances Berry goes meddling in Florida, she isn't just trying to embarrass the Bush brothers. She's fighting for her job. |
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