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Navy wife Research Director
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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Have you all seen the call for emergency support that the Chief has posted? |
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NavyChief Rear Admiral
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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I posted a new post: EMERGENCY SUPPORT NEEDED.
Folks,
Many of us understand how much the Swifties and POWs for Truth have sacrificed into this. I'm fully convinced if it were not for them, Bush would be losing by quite a bit right now.
I've put everything into all this work over the last couple of months. My finances are in shambles and I'm going to pay for it. My family has suffered their father and husband being gone for this cause and spending 16-18 hour days on this -- non-stop. I don't know where I'll be in three months time (likely bankrupt and divorced) because I've put every once into this effort.
I'm begging you to help me get through to Senator Frist with a simple message -- "WHY ARE WE ALLOWING OUR DEMOCRACY TO BE ON THE VERGE OF RUIN?" Where is the Congress? Why are the media consumed with stories of explosives when a man who committed treason is running for office?
Is this what America has become? Does she mean so little to us that we are willing to accept her fate?
Fight back Dammit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Chief _________________ Working with Senator Kerry four years in the POW/MIA Office left me thinking -- when did the man ever do any work? |
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manelly PO3
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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I'm on hold right now _________________ Enlighten the people, generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like spirits at the dawn of day.
- Thomas Jefferson |
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ArmyMedicsMom LCDR
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ArmyMedicsMom LCDR
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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Called...she said they are working on it, I asked her if she was saying that or is someone really working on it....she said they were really looking into it....they have gotten so many calls. She asked if it was about Troy Jenkins. She seemed in a hurry...maybe lots of calls on hold. (would do a little smily face here but don't know how) _________________ Support Our Troops with a Letter or Care Package:
http://www.anysoldier.us/WhereToSend/
http://www.alsabaah.com/iframe.php?file=http://www.alsabaah.com/English.html
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MJB LCDR
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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ILUVTHEUSA wrote: | I remember reading somewhere (God only knows where since I have been reading so much everything is getting blended together ) that the ORIGINAL untranslated documents have also been found. Does anybody have a reference to where this is mentioned so I can write back to Eugene Volokh
Thanks--
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Yes, they're on the Tech Tech web site - go to mypetjawa and inthebullpen for details. I have to leave soon and can't get the links. They're there... _________________ MJB
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becca1223 PO3
Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 293 Location: Colonial Heights, VA
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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IT'S WORKING - -
I just called the Majority Leader's office twice...
the first time I said I have a message for Senator Frist...the lady on the line told me to hold and she sent me to a voice mail box. I left a message on there.
then I called back...
the second time the same lady answered. She immediately asked me to hold, then came back on the line and said please hold on again..."the line is ringing off the hook" is what she said. When she came back to me, I told her why I was calling. She said they have gotten many calls and are fully aware. She said they are working on getting a returned call to NavyChief. |
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ArmyMedicsMom LCDR
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MJB LCDR
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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becca1223 wrote: | IT'S WORKING - -
I just called the Majority Leader's office twice...
the first time I said I have a message for Senator Frist...the lady on the line told me to hold and she sent me to a voice mail box. I left a message on there.
then I called back...
the second time the same lady answered. She immediately asked me to hold, then came back on the line and said please hold on again..."the line is ringing off the hook" is what she said. When she came back to me, I told her why I was calling. She said they have gotten many calls and are fully aware. She said they are working on getting a returned call to NavyChief. |
You betcha!!! Quantity AND quality of phone calls count out there. DO NOT LET UP. CALL YOUR SENATOR AND SEN FRIST'S OFFICE. CALL SEN LEHMAN. YOU WANT ANSWERS. YOU WANT ACTION. _________________ MJB
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Rdtf CNO
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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who is that Republican congressman from NY that was on Hannity yesterday? - a good one to call. He seems really angered by all the Kerry Krap. |
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phrein Seaman Recruit
Joined: 03 Aug 2004 Posts: 24 Location: Peoria, AZ
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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The Vietanamize papers story has been picked up by WND.
This is a start.
Paul _________________ If you have power to run your computer, thank a Nuclear Power Plant Operator. |
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MJB LCDR
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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ILUVTHEUSA wrote: | I remember reading somewhere (God only knows where since I have been reading so much everything is getting blended together ) that the ORIGINAL untranslated documents have also been found. Does anybody have a reference to where this is mentioned so I can write back to Eugene Volokh
Thanks--
~ILuvTheUsa |
As I noted in the previous post - mypetjawa and inthebullpen -
But...let's not forget the work being done elsewhere on this board - Resources & Research has a terrific thread on John Kerry's finances (and his connections with Vietnam), and Geano has done a masterful job of pulling lots of information together.
Here's a timeline Geano is working on (apologies for not being able to reformat - have to run - go see the original http://www2.swiftvets.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=117741#117741):
August 22, 1966
Kerry reported for officer training program at the Naval Officer Candidate School at the U.S. Naval Training Center in Newport, Rhode Island
Various schools and training until
June 8, 1967
Kerry began his first tour of duty, serving as an Ensign in the electrical department on the guided missile frigate USS Gridley.
February 9, 1968
The USS Gridley set sail for Western Pacific (WESTPAC) deployment.
February 10, 1968
Kerry requested duty in Vietnam, listing as his first preference a position as the commander of a Swift boat, designated the Patrol Crafts Fast (PCFs). Kerry thought he could avoid actual combat serving on the Swift boats as they originally operated offshore. (Kerry's second choice was a to be an officer in a patrol boat squadron, designated the Patrol Boat River [PBR] boats.)
June 8, 1968
The USS Gridley returned to port at Long Beach, California.
June 20, 1968
Kerry left the Gridley for special training on 50-foot swift boats (used for Vietnam coastal
November 17, 1968
U.S. Naval LieutenantJG John Kerry completed his Swift boat commander training.
December 1, 1968
Kerry reported for duty at Coastal Squadron One of Coastal Division 14 at the Cam Ranh Bay in South Vietnam (a port base considered the safest assignment in Vietnam), taking command of Swift boat No. 44, operating in the Mekong Delta.
December 6, 1968
Kerry was transferred to a more dangerous unit, Coastal Division 11 at An Thoi on Phu Quoc Island, an isolated base on an island near an enemy position. Kerry was opposed to this reassignment.
December 13, 1968
Kerry was transferred on December 13 to Coastal Division 13 in Cat Lo, which had wider, less dangerous rivers
December 1968
Within a few weeks Kerry was reassigned back to An Thoi.
March 17, 1969
The policy of Coastal Squadron 1, the swift boat command, was to send home any individual who is wounded three times in action. After sustaining his third wound from enemy action in Vietnam, Kerry was granted relief under this policy.
April 11, 1969
After leaving Vietnam under a policy that grants relief to any individual who is wounded three times in action, Kerry returned to the U.S. to serve as an admiral's aide and flag lieutenant to Rear Admiral Walter F. Schlech, Jr. with the Military Sea Transportation Service based in Brooklyn, New York.
November 1969
Jeremy Rifkin and Tod Ensign launched a new organization called the Citizens Commissions of Inquiry (CCI) to publicize American war crimes in Indochina, in response to a public call from the Bertrand Russell Foundation in New York
December 1969
Kerry requests an early release from the Naval Reserve in order to run for the Fourth District congressional seat of Massachusetts on an antiwar platform.
January 3, 1970
Kerry requested and was granted a release from Active Duty and transfered to inactive duty in the U.S. Naval Reserve,
February 1970
CCI co-sponsored its first “commissions of inquiry” in Toronto and Annapolis MD, and began providing accounts of war crimes to the press. During the next few months, the CCI held events in Springfield Massachusetts, Richmond, New York City, Buffalo, Boston, Minneapolis, Los Angeles, and Portland Oregon.
May 7, 1970
Kerry appeared on The Dick Cavett Show for the first time, speaking in opposition to U.S. involvement in Vietnam.
May 1970
Kerry and his new wife, Julia (Thorne-sister of close friend, David Thorne) traveled to Paris, France and met with Madame Nguyen Thi Binh, the Foreign Minister of the Provisional Revolutionary Government of Vietnam (PRG), the political wing of the Vietcong, and other Viet Cong and Communist Vietnamese representatives to the Paris peace talks, a trip he now calls a "fact-finding" mission.
June 1970
Kerry joined the Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), part of the Peoples Coalition for Peace and Justice. (The PCPJ was a broad coalition of local and national organizations, including the Communist Party, USA, “committed to conducting demonstrations aimed at ending the war in Indochina, and poverty, racism and injustice at home.” The VVAW, CCI and PCPJ all had headquarters at 156 Fifth Avenue in New York City. VVAW Executive Secretary Al Hubbard (a former Black Panther) was also on the coordinating committee of the PCPJ. Hubbard soon appointed Kerry to the VVAW’s Executive Committee, bypassing the normal election process.
August 1970
Al Hubbard asked Tod Ensign and Jeremy Rifkin of the CCI to join with the VVAW, the Reverend Dick Fernandez of Clergy and Laymen Concerned about Vietnam (CALCAV), Jane Fonda, Mark Lane and others to organize national hearings on war crimes. Lane suggested calling the hearings "Winter Soldier
September 7, 1970
The conclusion of Operation RAW, held by VVAW members in Valley Forge, Pennsylvania, featured speeches by John Kerry, Jane Fonda, and Mark Lane
September 11, 1970
A VVAW Executive Committee meeting is attended by president Jan Crumb, executive secretary Al Hubbard, treasurer Jason Gettinger, Northeast representative John Kerry, and three others. The organization leadership decides to picket against the National Guard Association in New York:
September 17, 1970 The VVAW protests the National Guard's national convention.
October, 1970 Jane Fonda, Al Hubbard, and Jan Crumb raise money for the VVAW and create new chapters through a nationwide lecture tour covering more than 50 college campuses.
October 1970
Kerry begins flying Adam Walinsky to various rallies.
April 22, 1971
John Kerry, director of the Vietnam Veterans against the War testimony before congress
May 25, 1971 Kerry appears on 60 Minutes with Morley Safer. Asked whether he wants to be President of the United States, Kerry replies in the negative, and calls it a "crazy question."
May 30 - 31, 1971 Several hundred VVAW members marched from Concord to Boston, 458 people are arrested and held overnight, including John Kerry.
Summer 1971 According to the FBI files, Kerry met with representatives from the North Vietnamese government in Paris in 1971 in an effort to secure the release of captured American prisoners of war.
June 30, 1971 John Kerry debated John O'Neill on The Dick Cavett Show.
October 1971 John Kerry and the VVAW published The New Soldier (Collier-Macmillan, 1971),
November 12 - 15, 1971 Declassified FBI documents identified John Kerry as having attended a VVAW meeting in Kansas City, Misouri in the house of one of the members. Scot Camil , VVAW Regional Coordinator from Florida was running the meeting. Camil proposed the establishment of "readiness groups" of the "Phoenix type."
VVAW secretly voted on a proposal to kill six pro-war senators, including Republican Strom Thurmond of South Carolina and Democrat John Stennis of Mississippi.
Kerry later told two historians, Gerald Nicosia and Douglas Brinkley, that he was not there and that he had resigned from the organization before the meeting was held. In March 2004, reliable witnesses came forward and placed John Kerry at the meeting.
November 15, 1971 John Kerry resigns from the Executive Committee of the VVAW stating personal reasons, after trying unsuccessfully to have Al Hubbard removed from the group’s leadership. (Kerry continued to represent the organization in interviews and public appearances for several months.)
January 11, 1972 John Kerry represented the VVAW at Dartmouth College.
January 25, 1972 Kerry attended a Washington protest meeting where the New York Times described him as "a leader of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War."
April 22, 1972 John Kerry represented the VVAW at the "Emergency March for Peace" in Bryant Park in New York City.
July 1, 1972 Lieutenant Kerry is transferred to Standby Reserves, Inactive
November 1972 Kerry lost his bid for Congress in the general election to Republican Paul Cronin.
March 4, 1973 Maj. Kenneth Cordier, is Air Force pilot who was in Vietnamese custody for 2,284 days. He said his captors "repeated incessantly" John Kerry's one-liner about being "the last man to die" for a lost cause. Cordier was released March 4, 1973
1973 - 1976 Kerry enrolled in September of 1973 at Boston College Law School, Chestnut Hill, Massachusetts.
1976 - 1979 John Kerry joined the Middlesex County district attorney's office
1978 The original VVAW split up when a minority broke away to form Vietnam Veterans Against the War Anti-Imperialist (VVAWAI), with the larger faction retaining the original name.
February 16, 1978 The Secretary of the Navy issues an acceptance of Lieutenant Kerry's resignation and Kerry is honorably discharged from U.S. Naval Reserve. This discharge has been questioned by some.
All of the above is just to get us up to this approximate time period
1978
Former VVAW leader Robert Muller founds the Vietnam Veterans of America (VVA). The VVA also describes John Kerry as a “co-founder” of the organization. In the late 1980s, Mueller and the Vietnam Veterans of America Foundation (VVAF) split from the VVA. Mueller led a VVAF delegation to Hanoi, where he praised the communist leadership of Vietnam and laid a wreath on the grave of Ho Chi Minh.
1979 - 1982 In 1979, John Kerry and a colleague at the D.A.’s office, Roanne Sragow, opened the firm of Kerry & Sragow, at 60 State Street, in downtown Boston
1982 - 1984 John Kerry is elected Lieutenant Governor of Massachusetts
November 6,1984 John Kerry elected to the US Senate
February 8, 1985 Appointed to a coveted seat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee
April 6, 1987
US Senators Kerry and Kennedy win a victory as the Senate overrides a presidential veto and guarantees federal funding for Boston's Big Dig. "The Big Dig project has become a symbol of government contracting gone awry, known for its huge cost overruns that now total several billion dollars, and its admissions of mismanagement. " USAtoday.com, 2/5/04.
September 21, 1990 John Kerry attended a 24-hour City Hall Plaza vigil commemorating POW/MIA families.
July 21, 1991
The Senate voted to open a new investigation into Vietnam soldiers still missing in action, and establishes a select committee to be chaired by Kerry.
November 5, 1991
The first hearing of the investigation of soldiers still missing in action in Vietnam was held. Kerry worked with Senator John McCain to begin to normalize relations with Vietnam.
Ms. Francis Zwenig alledgedly coached the North Vietnamese to concoct plausible stories on the fate of POW/MIAs in order to show that Hanoi was cooperating to resolve the POW/MIA issue
June 24, 1992 John Kerry and Senator John McCain attend a hearing on Americans missing or imprisoned in southeast Asia. Kerry said that as many as 133 prisoners may have been left behind at the end of the Vietnam war, and the Pentagon may have deliberately misled families about the fate of some service men.
July 15-18, 1993
John Kerry along with other Congressmen and a Veterans Delegation met with Do Muoi, Secretary General of the Vietnamese Communist Party in Vietnam. Kerry also visited the army museum in Ho Chi Minh City. While in Vietnam, Kerry visited two sites where it was reported that missing American soldiers had been spotted but not found.
May 26, 1995
John Kerry married his second wife, Theresa Heinz (Maria Teresa Thierstein Simões-Ferreira Heinz - born October 5, 1938, Mozambique) in Nantucket. Theresa is the widow of U.S. Senator John Heinz III (R-PA) who was killed in a plane crash April 4, 1991.
July 11, 1995
With John Kerry at his side, President Bill Clinton extended US diplomatic recognition to Vietnam.
Ms. Francis Zwenig alledgedly coached the North Vietnamese to concoct plausible stories on the fate of POW/MIAs in order to show that Hanoi was cooperating to resolve the POW/MIA issue.
Thank you:
http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html
JHSmith@archive-news.net. _________________ MJB
USAF '85-'92
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MJB LCDR
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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Here's a long one from over on Resources, but it's worth it. Ties lots of these different threads together.
It's congressional testimony from 1998. Look how the pieces fit together.
God (I mean the real Big Guy), I love the Internet!
We ARE having an impact! KEEP CALLING!
http://www.usvetdsp.com/billbell.htm
Former POW/MIA Affairs Chief Gave Congress Outline Of U.S. Government's Road Map To Betrayal Of America's POW/MIAs
The following article is taken from a statement by Bill Bell (pictured right) which he gave before the Vietnam Subcommittee on Trade of the Committee on Ways and Means in the U.S. House of Representatives on June 18, 1998.
Prior to 1989 our government's most important issue concerning Vietnam was the achievement of a viable settlement in war torn Cambodia.
Subsequent to the withdrawal of a politically acceptable number of Vietnamese forces from that country our focus shifted to the accounting for our missing and dead from the Vietnam War.
At that time the policy of the Bush Administration dictated that the recovery of missing American servicemen was a matter of the "highest national priority."
This high priority supported a strategy of strict reciprocity at the national level, and a high quality investigative effort on the ground in Vietnam. This proactive, yet cautious approach to addressing the important POW/MIA issue precipitated Vietnam's realization that no matter how difficult the effort, our persistence and perseverance would not diminish and only genuine cooperation would be acceptable by our government.
These factors enabled our personnel on the ground in Vietnam to make considerable progress without large expenditures of government funds. Trade and commercial ties were never a matter of consideration, because we were determined not to fall in the same expensive and ultimately futile rut left by the French [Despite the substantial political and economic concessions the French have made to Hanoi since 1954, France has never received a full accounting for its missing and dead.].
This strategy meshed well with our long term goal of a full accounting for our servicemen because Vietnam did not have financial incentive to retard progress on this important national issue.
Moreover, due to the coincidental collapse of the Soviet Union, Vietnam also realized that significant economic assistance from its wartime allies would not be forthcoming. These conditions served to create a rare window of opportunity for our negotiators to elicit cooperation from Vietnam in not only accounting for our missing men, but the important human rights aspect as well.
But Vietnamese Communists are well known for several attributes, not the least of which are cunning, tenacity and a high threshold for pain.
During the war years although the Vietnam Communist Party (VCP) constantly spouted rhetoric concerning freedom and democracy, its primary goal was reunification of the country under totalitarian control by the Communist Party.
After accomplishing its initial objective Hanoi's Politburo even changed the name of the country from a "democratic" to a "socialist" republic. The word for democracy "dan chu" quickly disappeared from letterheads of all official government and party correspondence. Dictionaries printed by the government did not even include the word "da dang" (multi-party).
After reunification Hanoi's design changed to development of the economy under the continued totalitarian control of the VCP. In assessing the outlook for reconstruction and development Hanoi's strategists came to the realization that although genuine cooperation on POW/MIA accounting would hasten the pace of relations and significant progress on human rights would bring economic benefits, such cooperation would inherently lead to a weakening of totalitarian control by (VCP).
Faced with this dilemma, Hanoi's leadership turned to its highest-level decision-making body with responsibility for military affairs, intelligence, counterintelligence, foreign policy, economics, industry and strategic deception, the National Defense Council (NDC), for salvation.
The NDC of Vietnam is modeled on similar organizations of the People's Republic of China and the former Soviet Union. I believe that those responsible for safeguarding missile and satellite technology will not find that thought comforting.
In planning and implementing strategic deception, the most important organ in the communist system is the Proselytizing Department, which operates under the authority of the NDC.
This department is a very secretive and subtle organization, and for the U.S. intelligence community, it is perhaps the least understood element of the Communist apparatus. The basic mission of the organization is penetration and subversion.
During the war years the Proselytizing Department enjoyed considerable success in exploiting the anti-war movement in the U.S. and other countries around the world. Wartime Communist leaders have since expressed the opinion that the proselytizing effort, both in America and on an international scale, made the most important contribution toward winning the war.
The concept by which the Proselytizing Department operates is quite simple: Obtain the active participation of a small segment of the population in order to gain the passive acceptance of the population as a whole. At the local level active participation can be obtained through intimidation.
For example, during wartime years when armed propaganda teams were employed, if a member of a village chief's family were abducted, one of his ears would be sent to the family. Unless the village chief performed the deed requested of him by the communist forces, the head of the family member would soon follow.
In dealing with foreign populations, however, active participation is more often achieved by subtle means. This includes playing on the emotions of a family whose loved one is being held prisoner-of-war, or by exploiting character defects, especially monetary greed, or what in intelligence terms is called "a penchant for wealth."
The Proselytizing Department is also responsible for both agitation-propaganda and the exploitation of U.S. POWs. This includes the remains and personal effects of American servicemen killed during the performance of their duties.
By the time of the 1986 Party Congress, Hanoi's National Defense Council had outlined a plan for development of the economy while feigning cooperation on POW/MIA and human rights. This plan was veiled as "an opening to the West" and "renovation," what the Vietnamese call "doi moi."
In order to implement this plan, seasoned cadre from the Proselytizing Department were gradually transferred to positions dealing with individuals and organizations in the U.S. involved in commerce, human rights and veterans affairs.
For example, Senior Proselytizing cadre Nguyen Chinh was transferred from Region 5 in Central Vietnam to Hanoi where he was assigned as the Deputy Director of Religious Affairs dealing with U.S. officials concerned with human rights.
Cadre Nguyen Hung Tri, who had been one of numerous cadre responsible for the interrogation and exploitation of American prisoners in the South, was reassigned as Director of the Export Section of the National Petroleum Import-Export Department.
LTG Tran Van Quang, the former Chief of the Proselytizing Department, was reassigned as head of the National Veterans Organization dealing with so-called "Veterans Initiatives" of the Veterans of Foreign Wars (VFW) and Vietnam Veterans of America (VVA).
Cadre Dang Thuan Hoa, who was also responsible for the interrogation and exploitation of American prisoners in southern Vietnam during the war, was reassigned to the Commercial Affairs Office in Ho Chi Minh City dealing with American businessmen seeking to invest in projects there.
Members of the Proselytizing Department's office in Central Vietnam were transferred to the State Petroleum Organization and shortly thereafter a plan to build an oil refinery in that area was announced.
Ultimately, hundreds of cadre from Vietnam's Proselytizing Department were reassigned to positions placing them in direct contact with Americans in the targeted "influence groups."
After sufficient proselytizing cadre were in place, Vietnam still faced one major obstacle, hard currency to finance the overall operation.
Hanoi's strategists then devised a plan whereby large sums of hard currency could be collected. By forcing hundreds of thousands of its citizens to flee the country Hanoi was able to quickly establish a large community of overseas Vietnamese. Most of those departing under this program were required to transfer all personal and real property, as well as cash assets, to communist control.
To manage this potential source of future revenue, Hanoi reassigned its former UN Ambassador in New York and Vice Foreign Minister, Ho Liem (aka Hoang Bich Son) as Chairman of the Committee for Overseas Vietnamese.
Overseas Vietnamese then began to send money home to support relatives remaining in Vietnam. Hard currency mailed from the U.S., Canada, France, England, Australia and other countries back to Vietnam was intercepted by the Communist Party and converted into Vietnamese "dong" at a very unfavorable rate.
Overseas Vietnamese seeking to return home for visitation, including emergency situations, were required to pay exorbitant visa issuance fees in hard currency to the relevant Vietnamese Embassy prior to commencement of travel.
Unfortunately for the Vietnamese people at home, however, visa fees are not a problem because they cannot even acquire a passport to temporarily travel abroad. As a basis for comparison, in America and other democratic countries, it is far more simple to file for social security disability than for a Vietnamese citizen to obtain a passport.
In much the same manner as the French experience on POW/MIA accounting, to develop yet another source of revenue Hanoi used its Proselytizing Department to create an illusion of profitable business opportunities, a "last frontier" if you will, in Vietnam.
This skillful deception, which included what appeared to be very lucrative contracts to be implemented as soon as the Trade Embargo was lifted, resulted in increased pressure from the business community on U.S. politicians to rapidly remove the POW/MIA issue as an obstacle to the development of trade ties, regardless of the actual rate of progress in accounting for our men.
To accomplish this feat, the Proselytizing Department worked hand-in-hand with key members of the U.S. business community, some members of Congress and veterans organizations to convince our military leaders that the best way to resolve the issue was a rapid expansion of our POW/MIA accounting effort in the field.
This expansion consisted primarily of so-called "activities," which included field cursory investigations and excavations of crash sites. These "activities" resulted in the rental of Russian supplied helicopters, real property rentals, the payment of salaries for cadre of the Proselytizing Department participating in the endeavor, drivers, laborers, organization fees, landing fees, damages caused by excavations and a host of other charges. I believe that by simultaneously exploiting emigration and the accounting for missing American servicemen Hanoi has managed to accumulate a considerable amount of hard currency.
Such revenue gathering practices continue today as these hearings are being held, and quite frankly I believe they generate far more funds than what Export-Import Bank financing could provide.
In 1991 the U.S. Senate established the Senate Select Committee for POW/MIA Affairs. The Chairman of this Committee, Senator John Kerry appointed his Legislative Assistant, Ms Francis Zwenig, as the Chief of Staff for the Committee.
During the life of the Committee Senator Kerry worked most closely with Representative Douglas "Pete" Peterson to authorize funding for the new, expanded effort to account for missing American servicemen in Vietnam.
As a result of these joint efforts, in January 1992 the Joint Task Force-Full Accounting was formed by the U.S. Pacific Command. In order to gain acceptance of the new plan in Vietnam Senator Kerry also coordinated his efforts with fellow committee member, Senator John McCain (R- AZ).
In implementing Senator Kerry and Representative Peterson's plan, Ms Zwenig worked closely with Ms. Virginia Foote, the President of the U.S./Vietnam Trade Council, Allen "Gunner" Kent, former Commander-in-Chief of the Veterans of Foreign Wars (VFW), and Mr Kenneth Steadman, at that time the Director of National Security of the VFW.
As the Committee moved toward adjournment it became increasingly obvious that rather than account for missing American servicemen, the primary goal of the Committee was to remove the POW/MIA issue from the path of U.S./Vietnam relations.
Members of the Committee pledged to continue to monitor the issue, but in reality only Senator Bob Smith[R-NH] kept his promise to the MIA family members and veterans here at home.
During the time that key members of the POW/MIA Select Committee maneuvered to remove the Trade Embargo, large scale investors in Asia, who would ultimately become large scale campaign contributors in America began to support the activities of members of the Committee designed to create investment opportunities in Vietnam.
In 1992, with a one-on-one limousine ride, Presidential candidate Bill Clinton began his relationship with Mr James Riady, a citizen of Indonesia and resident alien of the United States. Mr Riady is the son of Mochtar Riady who heads the multi-billion dollar Lippo Group.
Acting on behalf of the Lippo Group Mr Riady formed a partnership with Mr Jackson Stephens, Chairman of Stephens Investment Inc., in order to purchase the Worthen Bank in Little Rock, AR. Mr Riady was subsequently installed as the director of the bank. Mr Riady then used his position to contribute or loan some $700,000.00 to President Clinton's campaign.
Family friends and business partners of the Riadys, Ariel and Soraya Wiriadinata, also contributed $425,000.00 to the Clinton campaign. Rather than explain the source of these monies by testifying in congressional hearings, the Wiriadinatas have since returned to Jakarta, Indonesia.
The Worthen Bank in Little Rock also owned the Hong Kong Chinese Bank where Mr John Huang was employed. Mr Huang was later transferred from Hong Kong to Los Angeles where he became head of Lippo's affiliate there.
Records since made available to investigating committees of Congress indicate that in conjunction with his transfer to the U.S. Mr Huang was awarded a $700,000.00 bonus by the Lippo Group. Considering the position held by Mr Huang and the circumstances of his employment, the alleged bonus has raised questions regarding the intended purpose of the relatively large amount of cash, and whether or not it was properly declared for entry into the U.S.
Moreover, in November 1992, China Resources Holding Company, a front organization for the Intelligence and Security Services of the Communist Party of China, purchased a controlling interest in the Hong Kong Chinese Bank. This transaction made available an even larger amount of money to Mr Huang in the U.S.
During his election campaign President Clinton pledged to the American people that if elected he "would not normalize relations with any country that is at all suspected of withholding information" on missing Americans.
After the election of President Clinton Mr John Huang was appointed as a Deputy Assistant Secretary under Commerce Secretary Ron Brown in a "Top Secret" trade post. When Mr Huang assumed his new position at the Commerce Department the very first meeting he held in his new office was oriented toward developing increased commercial relations with the Socialist Republic of Vietnam.
Hearings held by the Senate Committee investigating campaign financing revealed that during the time he worked in the Commerce Department under Ron Brown, John Huang maintained steady contact with Mr A. Vernon Weaver, the Vice-President of Stephens Investment in Washington, D.C.
In fact, Mr Huang was provided a cost-free office with telephone, facsimile and photocopy machine in the Stephens Building across the street from the Commerce Department. During the same time frame, Secretary Brown became the subject of a Justice Department investigation concerning allegations he accepted a $700,000.00 bribe for his assistance in lobbying President Clinton to lift the Trade Embargo against Vietnam.
The reports indicating that Mr Riady loaned the Clinton campaign $700,000.00, that John Huang received a $700,000.00 bonus from the Lippo Group, and that former Commerce Secretary Brown received a $700,000.00 bribe may be coincidental, but considering the positions of those involved and their relationship to each other, I seriously doubt that this is the case.
After repeated denials to the press, Secretary Brown did admit to having three meetings with Mr Nguyen Van Hao, a Vietnamese who was actively lobbying on behalf of Vietnam to have the Trade Embargo lifted. Mr A. Vernon Weaver was subsequently appointed as the U.S. Representative to the European Economic Union. The investigation of Mr Brown was terminated when he died on April 4, 1996 in an airplane crash while on an economic mission to Europe.
After expanded accounting efforts were initiated in Vietnam senior U.S. officials first began praising Vietnam for its cooperation in accounting for our missing men during January 1994 when Admiral Charles Larson, at that time the Commander-in-Chief of Pacific Forces, returned from an inspection trip to Vietnam.
It was Admiral Larson who first stated publicly that Vietnamese cooperation in accounting for missing Americans was "excellent across all fronts." Admiral Larson was a four star Admiral at the time and pending retirement because there were no four star slots available in the U.S. Navy.
Based on Admiral Larson's assessment, in February 1994 President Clinton lifted the trade embargo against Vietnam.
Amazingly, between the time that President Clinton made his pledge that he would not normalize relations with Vietnam until there was a full accounting and the time he lifted the Trade Embargo only two Americans had been accounted for in Vietnam.
Lifting the embargo opened the door for the multi-billion dollar corporation, Lippo Group with American business partners, such as Stephens Investment of Little Rock, AR to conduct business in Vietnam. Mr A. Vernon Weaver, at that time the Vice-President for Operations in the Pacific Rim of Stephens Investment and a member of the Board of Visitors at the U.S. Naval Academy was instrumental in arranging an upgrade of the position of Commandant of the U.S. Naval Academy from two stars to four stars.
Former U.S. Navy officers, Senators John Kerry and John McCain supported this reorganization. Rather than the planned retirement, Admiral Larson was quickly transferred to begin a four year tour at the Naval Academy.
President Clinton then appointed VFW Commander-in-Chief, Allen "Gunner" Kent of the VFW to a senior position in the Veterans Administration (VA).
After working on the transition team of former Secretary Ron Brown at the Commerce Department, Ms Francis Zwenig was appointed as Vice-President of the U.S. Vietnam Trade Council.
Shortly thereafter, the Council took control of the Mekong Digest, formerly the Vietnam Forum of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War. A friend of both President Clinton and Senator John Kerry and fellow anti-war activist from Georgia, Mr Charles Searcy, was appointed as a humanitarian aid representative for Vietnam, on a project jointly funded by the U.S. Government and the Vietnam Veterans of America Foundation headed by Mr Robert Muller, also a well-known anti-war activist. Vietnam then announced that it would issue its first real estate license to Senator John Kerry's cousin, Mr Stuart Forbes, CEO of the Boston-based Colliers International.
Representative "Pete" Peterson was appointed by President Clinton as Ambassador to Vietnam.
Senator John McCain became Chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee.
Mr John Huang, was ultimately appointed as Vice-Chairman of the national fund-raising committee of the Democratic Party. Mr Huang's fund raising efforts included a visit by Vice President Gore to a Buddhist Temple in California headed by Vietnamese born Summa Ching Hai, a long time associate of both Huang and Little Rock, AR restaurant owner Charlie Trii.
Highly classified documents of the Vietnam Communist Party (VCP), recently declassified in the National Archives, indicate that the Religious Proselytizing Department of the VCP, code named V.417, successfully infiltrated cadre into the Buddhist Sect in the former Republic of Vietnam during the 1960's.
According to the Chairman of the Washington, D.C., Maryland and Virginia Vietnamese Association, some of the cadre mentioned in the documents have since arrived in the U.S. as refugees. These same cadre, currently in leadership positions in the Buddhist Sect in California, now profess to be staunch anti-communists.
Testimony from members of the staff at the temple involved in the fund-raising, as well as numerous others involved, indicate that those participating in the scheme of Huang were well aware that the sole purpose of the visit by the Vice President was to raise money for the Clinton-Gore campaign.
In fact, the only person involved who has publicly claimed to be unaware that the event was a fund raiser is Vice President Gore himself.
Although considerable questions remain unanswered some of the key people involved, Mr John Huang, Admiral Larson, Ms Virginia Foote, Ms Francis Zwenig or Mr A. Vernon Weaver have never testified in Congress.
More recently the Justice Department has authorized the appointment of an additional Special Counsel to investigate allegations of illegal business transactions between Labor Secretary Alexis Herman and Vanessa Weaver.
Hopefully, this investigation will uncover additional leads for Congressional Committees to follow in the days ahead.
Contrary to the glowing assessments by the Clinton Administration, MIA family member organizations have maintained that Vietnam could rapidly account for many more missing servicemen if it made the political decision to do so.
I believe that there is ample evidence in U.S. files that Vietnam does possess this capability.
Against opposition by MIA family member organizations and major veterans organizations, including the American Legion, Vietnam Veterans of America, the National Vietnam Veterans Coalition, American Veterans, and the Disabled American Veterans, President Clinton recently waived the Jackson-Vanik Act in order to provide monetary benefits to Vietnam.
Such benefits include Export-Import Bank financing and Overseas Private Investment Corporation (OPIC) insurance.
Obviously, both important steps are directed at obtaining Most Favored Nation (MFN) trading status for Vietnam.
During my tour as Chief of the U.S. Office for POW/MIA Affairs in Hanoi I was constantly mindful of the French experience in Vietnam.
I was also painfully aware of the plight of some 70 million Vietnamese citizens regarding basic human rights. Relying on a wealth of information contained in U.S. Government files and based on my own experiences in dealing with Vietnam over many years I carefully evaluated the actual level of cooperation rendered by Vietnam on a routine basis.
I truthfully and accurately reported those assessments to my superiors. At times, my candidness during congressional hearings here in Washington, D.C. resulted in my being denied a re-entry visa to return Vietnam from those hearings, and it was only intervention by your prestigious body that enabled me to resume my duties in Hanoi.
Today I do not have to be concerned about how my remarks will be received by my superiors here in the U.S. Government, or by the Communist Party in Hanoi.
Hopefully, I have provided some insight concerning how our political process can be manipulated by foreign entities. I am optimistic that this information, as well as information to be provided by witnesses involved in other aspects of the U.S.-Vietnam relationship, will help your Committee convince our leadership that profit must not come before principle in the development of commercial ties with the Vietnam.
Organizations lobbying for increased financial benefits to Vietnam, especially Overseas Private Investment Corporation insurance are well aware that the Communist Party of Vietnam, not the government of Vietnam runs that country.
They are clamoring for your Committee to move ahead in U.S.-Vietnam relations.
They are telling the families of the missing men that they should trust the Communist Party to provide an honest accounting.
They are telling the Vietnamese people that they should trust the Communist Party in future progress for human rights.
Mr Chairman, if these lobbyists have so much trust in the Communist Party of Vietnam, then why do they need government sponsored insurance such as OPIC to protect their investments?
You may recall that during the Proselytizing Department's campaign to rapidly normalize relations while feigning improvement on POW/MIA accounting and human rights glib statements such as "it's the economy stupid," and "Vietnam is not a war, it's a country" were often attributed to a number of government officials and members of Congress returning from fact finding missions to Vietnam.
I hope your Committee will agree that statements such as "it's the missing servicemen and human rights stupid," and "Vietnam is not a war, it's a socialist republic" are far more appropriate statements to make.
That concludes my testimony, I greatly appreciate the opportunity to testify before your distinguished Committee.
Garnet "Bill" Bell, a former infantryman during the war, is a retired Department of Defense official. While a member of the Four Party Joint Military Commission in Saigon during the final days of the war, he was in charge of liaison with the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese Delegations. After being evacuated from the U.S. Embassy by helicopter on 30 April 1875, he returned to Hanoi as Chief of the U.S. Office for POW/MIA Affairs from 1991-1992. He is currently the President of the National Veterans Research Center in Arkansas and serves on POW/MIA Committees of the VFW, American Legion and VVA. _________________ MJB
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Hey! I just thought of something - lets call Zell Miller. He seems to get it!
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