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Spiess
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ord33 wrote:
In the video from the MSNBC link, Kerry sounds so damn defensive too when he said great. More power to him. He sounded pissed![/img]


I know what he really wanted to say,
OH YEAH! I DONT CARE HE MIGHT BE SMARTER BUT MY DADDY WILL BEAT UP HIS. OR SOME OTHER ROOM TEMPERATURE IQ COMMENT Shocked
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickass, Chad Evans from Inthebullpen.com e-mailed me back! Cool
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I will report on this tomorrow as I can hardly keep my eyes open right now, but rest assured, I did see this earlier and was disgusted with his refusal to sign a 180 after he and the DNC (read McAullife) have demanded Bush release all of his records for close to a year now.
Thank you Chad!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I did see this earlier and was disgusted with his refusal to sign a 180


I'll repeat what I said earlier..... Technically, Kerry has not refused to sign a 180. Nobody has asked him to sign one.

Realistically, Kerry and his staff know that lots of people are clamoring for him to sign a 180 release all of his records. But until some reporter decides to grow a pair and directly ask him to sign a form, he can say that he did not refuse.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This morning I had the inspiration to call Kerry's Headquarters here in Florida. I had a pretty amusing conversation with the lady that answered the phone there.

I said, "I'm calling because I would like to know the official explanation as to why, after saying that all of his military records had been released, Mr. Kerry contradicted himself on Nightline last night and said his records were not public?"

She said, "But they are!"

I said, "Well, no, they are not ALL public, because Mr. Kerry never signed the form 180 and the Navy says there are more than 100 pages that can not be released without it. But, Mr. Kerry has kept saying his records were ALL released until last night when he said, in response to a question from Tom Brokaw about an evaluation of President Bush's military apptitude tests and an evaluation of Kerry's, I DONT KNOW WHERE YOU GOT THAT FROM MY RECORDS ARE NOT PUBLIC"

She began to stutter, "I uh, I don't, um I saw that too but I, I'm not sure, they are all, I uh, maybe I should transfer you to voice mail, they are not here yet, the people you need to talk to."

hehehehe
that was fun

So anyway, my suggestion is this. Call Kerry's headquartres and lets make a log of what they tell us here. I think it might make a very interesting article. Also, if someone slips up, which they seem very close to doing at times, it might give us the shoehorn we need to expose the fact that Kerry's records have not been released.

Also, lets make noise about this. Email blogs and all the media outlets you can think of. Call talk radio. We don't have time to wait for others to discover this story.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dmackto wrote:
I think the press should jump all over him saying his records were not public but they won't unless someone like Drudge picks it up.


Drudge has hurt us immeasurably
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rdtf wrote:
dmackto wrote:
I think the press should jump all over him saying his records were not public but they won't unless someone like Drudge picks it up.


Drudge has hurt us immeasurably


I personally think Drudge is worthless. Almost as worthless as the networks but if he posts one of his one liners re: Kerry caught in a lie, the msm may pick it up. Thats all I meant by that.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rdtf wrote:
dmackto wrote:
I think the press should jump all over him saying his records were not public but they won't unless someone like Drudge picks it up.


Drudge has hurt us immeasurably


His Sunday night radio is really worthless. It's like he is letting the music play, while he's surfing.
fwiw, i don't think he has any callers callin in. (1-866-4-DRUDGE)
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.powerlineblog.com/

FIGHTING WORDS
Before she died, John Kerry's mother reminded him that it's all about "integrity, integrity, integrity." For the Senator, though, intelligence (or its appearance) trumps integrity. Consider this exchange between Kerry and Tom Brokaw:
Brokaw: Someone has analyzed the President's military aptitude tests and yours, and concluded that he has a higher IQ than you do.
Kerry: That's great. More power. I don't know how they've done it, because my record is not public. So I don't know where you're getting that from.
But, in the past, as Captain Ed reminds us, Kerry has insisted that his entire record is public. For example, he told Chris Matthews:
I released all my military records. Mr. Gillespie thought it was important enough to go travel to another state, make a big speech, demand that I release my records. I did. Everything. All of it. Including my officer fitness reports.
In sum, faced with the choice between admitting the meaningless but unthinkable proposition that his IQ might be slightly lower than President Bush's or effectively acknowledging that his prior statements about the availability of his records are untrue, Kerry selected the former option. Is anyone surprised?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kerry Admits He Lied About His Records
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/
CQ reader Brent Busch noticed that John Kerry made an interesting admission last night on NBC Nightly News in an interview with Tom Brokaw. Despite having claimed for months that he had released all of his military records, Kerry admitted last night that he'd lied about it (emphasis mine):
Brokaw: Someone has analyzed the President's military aptitude tests and yours, and concluded that he has a higher IQ than you do.
Kerry: That's great. More power. I don't know how they've done it, because my record is not public. So I don't know where you're getting that from.
As Brent points out, that hardly squares with Kerry's rhetoric earlier on military records. Ever since Kerry and the Democrats launched a full-scale attack on George Bush's military experience and his discharge from the National Guard, calls have come for Kerry to sign a Form 180 to completely release his own records. Swift Boat Veterans and POWs for Truth have asked repeatedly for this release. Kerry has responded repeatedly that all of his records have been made available at his website. For instance, here's Kerry on Don Imus on September 15th:
IMUS: A Freedom of Information Act request by "The Washington Post" regarding your military records produced six pages of information, while a spokesman for the Navy Personnel Command said there were at least 100 pages of information available, but he was not authorized to release them. Why can't we see this stuff?
KERRY: We've posted my military records that they sent to me, or were posted on my Web site. You can go to my Web site, and all my -- you know, the documents are there.
IMUS: So is -- everything's available?
KERRY: To the best of my knowledge. I think some of the medical stuff may still be out there. We're trying to get it.
Kerry was also explicitly unequivocal on "Hardball" last April when discussing Bush's military records, before the Swiftvets began their public campign showing how much Kerry had deceived people about the nature of his service:
MATTHEWS: OK. You did that today, Senator. You went after, you put out a statement in your campaign, asking tough questions, documented questions—you had all the material there—about President Bush‘s — President Bush‘s participation.
KERRY: I have not—I don‘t—I haven‘t seen what went out.
MATTHEWS: What went out, it basically tracks what you did the other day on “Good Morning America.” And the question your staff put out, under your name, is, is Bush telling the truth, President Bush, when he said he had no special privileges or favoritism in jumping 150 places to get in the Air Guard in Texas?
What do you think about that? Is that something you care about? You want to know the truth?

KERRY: He ought to answer that question.
MATTHEWS: Why?
KERRY: Because I‘ve answered the questions. I released all my military records. Mr. Gillespie thought it was important enough to go travel to another state, make a big speech, demand that I release my records. I did. Everything. All of it. Including my officer fitness reports.
Now, I have received tons of e-mail on the IQ study, and quite frankly, I think IQ testing is a load of horsecrap. IQ is the study of potential, not accomplishment. At the age when we elect Presidents (50s - 60s, usually), debating intellectual potential is ridiculous on its face. If they haven't realized their potential by that time, they have no business running for dogcatcher, let alone President. IQ measurements are not terribly precise anyway, and the couple of points of difference in this study are meaningless. In polling terms, it's well within the margin of error.
However, Kerry's bristling at the question reveals the narcissism that has broken to the surface during this campaign, which explains the stupendously embarassing response he gave. After maintaining for months that he had released all of his records, he admits on a nationwide prime-time news broadcast that he lied about that all along. Kerry not only hasn't released all of his records, he knows it and he knows specifically what hasn't been released.
It's yet another lie and another dodge from the candidate who can't be trusted.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 5:07 pm    Post subject: NBC Interview Reply with quote

Didn't hear the interview, but it sounds like Brokaw pitched him puff balls.

Why didn't he ask Kerry why he won't sign form 180 and make his military service records public?

Or what he really talked about with the North Vietnamese and Vietcong representatives in Paris, and whether they became his handlers in guiding the VVAW group.

It sickens me to watch the national media fail in its crucial duty of watchdog for American democracy.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 5:29 pm    Post subject: Re: NBC Interview Reply with quote

Truegrit wrote:
It sickens me to watch the national media fail in its crucial duty of watchdog for American democracy.


It sickens me too, Truegrit, but I don't think that they think they're failing - unless Kerry is defeated.

I sincerely believe that most of the people in the media consider "liberalism" and "progressivism" essential for American democracy. They act exactly as if they believed that Republican control of the House, the Senate and the White House would hurt or destroy our democracy.

I don't think they've been a "watchdog" since the 1960's.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rush just played the clip- "My records not public" Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, yes he did and said the reason why not public maybe because of questions about skerry's discharge, so thankful for the crumbs let someone get a hold of it.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aristotle The Hun wrote:
Kerry Admits He Lied About His Records
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/
CQ reader Brent Busch noticed that John Kerry made an interesting admission last night on NBC Nightly News in an interview with Tom Brokaw.
Holy crap, my name hit the media! Shocked Yes, I'm Brent Busch (BB). Very Happy
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