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Fort Campbell
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slednfool wrote:


Are the regulars that went off to the secret forum going to keep us updated on what they have planned?


Are they the only ones planning anything? I thought Thomas Lipscomb was deeply involved in this issue along with the ex-JAG Officer from CA.
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angelnoel
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

45 minutes into the Sunday 60 Minutes Report (LOL) -- no word yet that JF Kerry voted against the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to protect the troops WE sent to Iraq.
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rb325th
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forget the Discharge for a minute, the evidence is there that kerry and the VVAW Collaborated with the N. Vietnamese. It is documented in the archives uncovered, as well as in kerrys own words about his meeting them in Paris(twice) and then his point for point recital of their "Peace Proposal" as well as his endorsement of it.
If that is not enough evidence to state he was a traitor to this Nation, I just do not understand. The discharge would have been the end result of his activities, it is the crime not just the punishment.
Think about it, a man gets convicted of murder of course we want to know that he was punished for it. More importantly we want to know that he comitted the act.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tom Poole wrote:
mangdawg wrote:
...wondering if Kerry considering Warner for possible Sec of State...

I had not heard that and instead heard this:

Julian Borger wrote:
...as defence secretary. Senator Kerry named another senior Republican, Senator John Warner,...as an alternative....
Guardian Unlimited

I agree though that such consideration for either position has EVERYTHING to do with Warner's knowledge of his OTH discharge. What I found most curious is the date Humpty Dumpty stated Warner was being considered. It was less than a week after the Swiftees organized. Hmmm...


Warner is pretty long in the tooth for Sec of Defense. i personnally lost all respect for him when he supported a third party candidate against Oli North. A turncoat republican is all Warner is.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 12:57 am    Post subject: Re: stand down Reply with quote

Chief, you are awesome!! I'm sure glad you're on my(our) side, for you have been a formidable enemy to JFK. 'Course publishing the truth helped.
My Prayers go out to you and Yours, whom I am sure have missed you these last several months.
I now have been hearing from former Kerry supporters that they have done their own checking, and now see what scum JFK is, and always has, been!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've read the Lively story on WND and it is very clear and consise and a good one to send out via email for that aspect of the two stories being covered up.

Does anyone know him and can we get him on the phone to the talk shows and media tomorrow. Obviously he can discuss this with more credibility than most of us.

Can we get a thread on this board that has the documents he mentions with captions that we could provide a link to in our email. It would give it more credibility.

And then we should do something similar to the Hanoi story. I found the Libscomb story easier to read and follow than the WND story. I think we should have the same type of link to those three documents (4 include the page 25 of Kerry's FBI records.)

I don't have the means to post images. Would this make sense? Maybe a lead into the documents about why this is so important.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:

45 minutes into the Sunday 60 Minutes Report (LOL) -- no word yet that JF Kerry voted against the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to protect the troops WE sent to Iraq.


No mention of that, but they did just give a veritable laundry list of America's most vulnerable weapons systems currently at use in ongoing combat.

They were kind enough to give the 60 Minutes assessment of specific systems we were having difficulty supplying support to.

Thank you very much 60 Minutes
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NavyChief wrote:
I wonder why we are so fascinated on Kerry's discharge status? Is it because we believe that many people will hear that and then run to the polls to vote for Bush?

A much more important question and far greater danger is threatening us. How far do John Kerry's Communist ties go? How many others that support Kerry are involved in the Communism shift of our country? They want to be called "progressive" instead of "liberal" now. Has the time finally come for them to take a bold step forward and come out of the closet, proclaiming in a loud voice, "Yes, we are the "progressive" party". Might I suggest you read the captured documents again and see that the Communists also called themselves "progressive".- Chief


(remainder snipped but, BOY, was it good! It's not about Kerry's
discharge - it goes deeper than a dishonorable or less than
honorable discharge - it is about loyalty and honor to your
country and your countrymen)

Chief, you and others on this forum realize the "progressive/communist"
threat in our country...this has been growing in our cities, our states,
and our capitol for many years...remember Alger Hess? He could never
be a communist - he was an American son! (being snide)...well, the
truth is known now...when I was growing up...communism, socialism
and all the other ideological isms were taught...our children today
are not taught this lesson...American progressiveness hiding behind
political correctness, civil rights and liberal courts (all elected by the
American people) have aided this effort...our destruction from
within...Kerry is a part of that...unfortunately as I pointed out in a prior
post months ago...we know he is not alone...we even know the
groups...but the media will go to any length to avoid even hinting at
something being communist related - the communists sympathizers yell
McCarthyism and, well, you know how the rest of the story goes...Kerry's
not being exposed by those with the power to expose him because
like dominoes, they will all start falling...This evil started rooting
during Viet Nam...and it has been stealthly sneaking into our
homes and our lives. As one person we can do nothing,
but as many we can...If Kerry is elected, I pray for our country,
our soldiers, my children and grandchildren...this is truly a
historic moment in time...If Bush is elected, we must all continue
to expose the threat to our country from within. Ok...sorry
for my diatribe...when I really just wanted to say...I'm staying,
I'm voting, and I'll be here November 3rd...come what may...
Becky
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roon wrote:
I've read the Lively story on WND and it is very clear and consise and a good one to send out via email for that aspect of the two stories being covered up.

....

Can we get a thread on this board that has the documents he mentions with captions that we could provide a link to in our email. It would give it more credibility.


links for Kerry's Discharge Documents mentioned in Lively article
http://www2.swiftvets.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=122389#122389
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rb325th wrote:

If that is not enough evidence to state he was a traitor to this Nation, I just do not understand.


Most of the people who post on this forum have a different view of the dangers of communism than the "average Joe". I served in the USN in Reagan's Navy during the cold war. I understand what was accomplished and what was at stake. Does the average American sitting at home watching Extreme Makeover really have a clue?

We're never going to get the mainstream media to touch a story on Kerry's ties to communism. Most of them hold a communist/socialist ideology. The public school system has done an outstanding job of treating communism/socialism as just another choice of government instead of a threat to freedom. Mention either around a group of 20-somethings and they'll just yawn.

The discharge story would have been an attention grabber. You can draw a clear picture and make comparisons of President Bush and his honorable discharge vs an other than honorable discharge. It would be the perfect introduction to the rest of Kerry's treasonous activities. Without it, it's going to be hard to generate any interest in Kerry's behavior following a war that most people today have been taught was illegal and immoral. Kerry's behavior gets a pass because so many people have been brainwashed into believing that he was a hero and our troops were vicious animals.

I despise the Senator and all he represents. That is due to my age and my experience. There are a lot of voters who don't have the benefit of being born during at a time when Communism was clearly seen for the evil it is.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hazmat, couple points. I am from Massachusetts and Kerry did not put one extra Cop on the Streets.
Federal Programs under Clinton to do it were never full funded and Cities and Towns had to (as they always have) pay for these Cops out of their Taxpayers money.
As to his 4 months in Vietnam, do some reading here. It can not be called Honorable.Other than the fact he was there in Vietnam, most of the rest is Kerry Fairy Tales, only perpetuated by his mouthpieces in the media.
His actions after Vietnam are criminal in nature, even traitorous. Read about his connections to the N. Vietnamese with the VVAW. (They moved in unison!) As well as his two trips to Paris and his coming back to endorse the Norths "Peace Proposal".
Kerry is a Traitor, a liar, and should not be elected Dog Catcher nevermind President.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hazmat wrote:
So why focus on this discharge issue? this chatter.


hazmat;
you don't think his discharge is relevant?

put it in this context- say you were fired 30 years ago, for stealing and giving away company secrets. could that be consided by your prospective employer?

same thing: it denotes Character
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For those interested in more of the Kerry communist ties, check out the sticky in Research and Resources by Beatrice1000(Know the players). Combined with the newly found documents from Texas Tech, and the current list of Kerry supporters/communists, we should all be very afraid.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 1:45 am    Post subject: RB Reply with quote

Well said!
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CaptnJack
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 2:00 am    Post subject: I keep reading "Why the discharge?" Reply with quote

There are many reasons. At it's face many w/o a military background will think little of it on the surface. What will be important to everyone is this is a huge lie that he has intentionally hid from the people. It shows he has no honor, no integrity, no loyalty. The questions will be asked "if kerry lied to the people of the US on that issue WHAT ELSE? How can any leader of any country trust him if his own countrymen cannot? Kerry and his minions have called everyone a 'liar', but are they not bigger liars? What more WILL he lie to us about?" Those questions will have an impact on the US voters. They can swing voters- even those in kerrys camp will know they have been betrayed.

One thing that cannot, CANNOT, be allowed to drop is kerry giving aid and comfort to the enemy at a time of war. It has to be taken all the way. Even if he beats the charge of treason that should do his career in and send a message to all.
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