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Doc Jerry
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 Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2004 11:52 pm Post subject: UN is asked to monitor our election |
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It's sick and getting sicker out there. Some libs in congress are asking the UN to monitor OUR presidential election in Nov. (reported on Drudge today via Yahoo News).
The irony, of course, is that these creeps are asking one of the most corrupt organizations on earth to do this. More disturbing, these yo-yos don't seem to know anything about sovereignty or perhaps they don't even care.
Sometimes I worry where we're headed.
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ASPB
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 12:15 am Post subject: Re: UN is asked to monitor our election |
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| Doc Jerry wrote: | It's sick and getting sicker out there. Some libs in congress are asking the UN to monitor OUR presidential election in Nov. (reported on Drudge today via Yahoo News).
The irony, of course, is that these creeps are asking one of the most corrupt organizations on earth to do this. More disturbing, these yo-yos don't seem to know anything about sovereignty or perhaps they don't even care.
Sometimes I worry where we're headed.
Go Air Force!!! Aim High. |
Simply put, they want a government of the Liberal, by the Liberal, and for the People. They believe the Kofi and his Krooks can help them get it. I wonder what percentage of Tax Revenues Kofi will want to fix the elections for them. 2% of oil revenue seemed enough for Iraq...
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navy-ex
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 2:17 am Post subject: |
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ASPB,
Perhaps you made a mistake in your post. Perhaps you meant to say:
"Simply put, they want a government of the Liberal, by the Liberal, and for the Liberal." ?. |
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LewWaters
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 2:48 am Post subject: |
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But don't forget, Kerry and other Democrats don't want us subjected to the UN, they just want us doing whatever the UN says 
Maybe they really want for us to go through a votes for Democrats program and get old Kofi wealthier. |
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ASPB
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 2:58 am Post subject: |
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| navy-ex wrote: | ASPB,
Perhaps you made a mistake in your post. Perhaps you meant to say:
"Simply put, they want a government of the Liberal, by the Liberal, and for the Liberal." ?. |
Well,
You're right! What they're saying is for "the People" but what they mean is "for themselves". What the hell; it's just another liberal lie. Nothing new! 
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LewWaters
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 4:46 am Post subject: |
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I am very outraged at this and did a web search to find out who was responsible. It's being reported at more news sites than just Drudge now. Here is a copy of the Yahoo News about it as well as a copy of a letter sent off to the signers, indentifying each and every Democrat who signed the letter. No Republicans or Independents signed on.
| Quote: | US lawmakers request UN observers for November 2 presidential election
Fri Jul 2, 2:22 AM ET
WASHINGTON (AFP) - Several members of the House of Representatives have requested the United Nations to send observers to monitor the November 2 US presidential election to avoid a contentious vote like in 2000, when the outcome was decided by Florida.
Recalling the long, drawn out process in the southern state, nine lawmakers, including four blacks and one Hispanic, sent a letter Thursday to UN Secretary General Kofi Annan asking that the international body "ensure free and fair elections in America," according to a statement issued by Florida representative Eddie Bernice Johnson, who spearheaded the effort.
"As lawmakers, we must assure the people of America that our nation will not experience the nightmare of the 2000 presidential election," she said in the letter.
"This is the first step in making sure that history does not repeat itself," she added after requesting that the UN "deploy election observers across the United States" to monitor the November, 2004 election.
The lawmakers said in the letter that in a report released in June 2001, the US Commission on Civil Rights "found that the electoral process in Florida resulted in the denial of the right to vote for countless persons."
The bipartisan commission, they stressed, determined "that the 'disenfranchisement of Florida's voters fell most harshly on the shoulders of black voters' and in poor counties." Both groups vote predominantly Democratic in US elections.
The commission also concluded, the lawmakers added that, "despite promised nationwide reforms (of the voting system) ... adequate steps have not been taken to ensure that a similar situation will not arise in 2004 that arose in 2000."
Thirty-six days after the November 7, 2000 presidential election, after several state court interventions and vote recounts in numerous Florida counties, the US Supreme Court ruled in favor of Republican George W. Bush, awarding him all of Florida's 25 electoral votes.
The ruling tipped the balance against Democratic contender and then vice president Al Gore, who with 267 electoral votes lost to Bush's 271, only one more than the minimum 270 needed to clinch the presidential election. |
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1521&u=/afp/20040702/pl_afp/us_vote_congress_040702062257&printer=1
| Quote: | Letter from Thomas P. Kilgannon to Congresswoman Eddie Bernice Johnson (D Tx)
by Thomas Kilgannon
July 2, 2004
The Honorable Eddie Bernice Johnson
1511 Longworth House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515
Dear Congresswoman Johnson:I read with great disappointment this morning an Associated Press story concerning your request that United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan dispatch UN election observers to the United States to monitor the 2004 presidential election on November 2nd.
Your appeal to the Secretary-General is alarming and embarrassing. As a Member of Congress sworn to uphold the Constitution and represent the people of the United States, it is disturbing, to say the least, that you would entrust the most sacred act of American democracy - our Presidential election - to an international institution which is unaccountable to the American people and mired by scandal and corruption.
The United Nations, which counts among its members state sponsors of terrorism, human rights abusers, dictatorships, and repressive monarchies, is simply unfit and unqualified to comment in any way on the manner in which this great Republic chooses its commander-in-chief.
I would think that as a Member of Congress you would have faith in the American government. Your request, which comes on the eve of our nation's 228th birthday, undermines U.S. sovereignty, demoralizes American servicemen who are fighting to build democratic governments abroad, and sends the message worldwide that the United States is nothing more than a Third World nation unable to police itself. Frankly, it is unbecoming a Member of the United States House of Representatives.
On behalf of the supporters of Freedom Alliance across this country, I urge you to reconsider your request to the Secretary-General and have more faith in your fellow countrymen.
Respectfully,Thomas P. Kilgannon
President
cc: The Honorable Joseph Crowley (D NY-07)
The Honorable Raul Grijalva (D AZ-07)
The Honorable Danny Davis (D IL-07)
The Honorable Corrine Brown (D FL-03)
The Honorable Carolyn Maloney (D NY-14)
The Honorable Jerrold Nadler (D NY-08)
The Honorable Michael Honda (D CA-15)
The Honorable Elijah Cummings (D MD-07)
The Honorable Julia Carson (D IN-07)
The Honorable Edolphus Towns (D NY10)
Thomas P. Kilgannon serves as the president of Freedom Alliance. |
http://freedomalliance.org/view_article.php?a_id=385
This is nothing more than another Democratic ploy to make it appear as if the Republicans and Bush stole the 2000 election. |
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The bandit
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 7:27 am Post subject: |
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| Libs prolly feel they get a better deal in another FL recount from the UN rather then state courts! |
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DevilDon
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| Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 4:53 am Post subject: |
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| Can someone please supply a link to the list of signers? I'm really, really outraged. Ask for help from the U.N.? I'm going to get busy with some mail. Thanks in advance for your help. |
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LewWaters
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| Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 5:13 am Post subject: |
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| DevilDon, the second letter I supplied above is CC'd to each signer of the request. Each one is a Democrat, all 10 of them. Last I heard, the UN turned them down, but their intent is obvious, to make it appear even before the election, that Republicans are stealing elections and fabricating the count. |
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Snipe
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| Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 11:44 am Post subject: |
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I'd just like to know that all of those military absentee ballots
get counted. Especially those northern Florida countys.
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War Dog
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Here you are:
WorldNetDaily
7/7/04
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39318
| Quote: | WASHINGTON – The United Nations has turned down a controversial request by nine members of the U.S. Congress to assign international observers to the U.S. presidential election in November.
The request came in the form of a letter drafted by Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson, D-Texas, and signed by eight other members of the House.
"We are deeply concerned that the right of U.S. citizens to vote in free and fair elections is again in jeopardy," the lawmakers wrote to U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan.
Besides Johnson, the other representatives signing the letter to Annan – all Democrats – were Julia Carson of Indiana; Jerrold Nadler, Edolphus Towns, Joseph Crowley and Carolyn B. Maloney, all of New York; Raul Grijalva of Arizona, Corrine Brown of Florida, Elijah E. Cummings of Maryland, Danny K. Davis of Illinois and Michael M. Honda of California.
Johnson was an early supporter of Sen. John Edwards' campaign for the presidency. Yesterday Edwards was selected as John Kerry's Democratic Party running mate.
"Generally, the United Nations does not intervene in electoral affairs unless the request comes from a national government or an electoral authority – not the legislative branch," said U.N. spokeswoman Marie Okabe.
Nevertheless, the proposal by Johnson and the other members of the House has raised the hackles of Republicans and others who saw irony in the timing of the announcement – just before America's Independence Day celebrations.
"Let me get this straight," wrote Joe Mariani in GOPUSA.com. "A group of Democrats want to bring some people from countries like North Korea, Iran, Syria, China and Cuba – people that have never seen a democratic election in their lifetimes – to sit in judgment on our elections? What kind of voodoo politics is that? The last time a foreign body had any direct influence over the political process of this country, the situation was corrected by a war for our freedom from British rule. Are these so-called Americans so willing to surrender that hard-won right of self-determination now, and to such a shamelessly scandal-ridden group of anti-American dictatorships and terrorist sympathizers? We may as well dissolve the Union now and save ourselves the pain of watching it done for us."
The Democrats said they feared a repeat of the 2000 election, which was won by George W. Bush, a Republican, through the Electoral College count even though he lost the popular vote.
The Democrats had asked in the letter for "international election monitors" to watch for "questionable practices and voter disenfranchisement on Election Day."
The Democratic Congress members wrote that they did not think sufficient reforms had been implemented to prevent another voting debacle.
"As the next Election Day approaches, there is more cause for alarm rather than less," the letter said.
Because the U.N. Charter bars violations of sovereignty, the State Department, or perhaps the Federal Election Commission, would have to invite observers, said U.N. officials. Monitoring would also have to be approved by the Security Council or the General Assembly.
Since the rule of thumb for vote monitoring is one observer for each 100 polling sites, about 2,000 foreigners would have to be deployed from Key West to Anchorage.
Johnson's letter points to "widespread allegations of voter disenfranchisement" in Florida and other states in 2000, and it cites an April report from the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights that found potential for "significant problems" this time around.
"As lawmakers, we must assure the people of America that our nation will not experience the nightmare of the 2000 presidential election," Johnson wrote. "This is the first step in making sure that history does not repeat itself," she added.
The Nov. 7, 2000, election was decided 36 days later when the U.S. Supreme Court made two rulings that stopped Democratic challenger Al Gore's attempt to recount some of the Florida votes. A number of independent investigations confirmed President Bush won the state's 25 electoral votes, giving him a total of 271 to Gore's 267.
Tom Kilgannon, president of Freedom Alliance, a group dedicated to protecting American sovereignty, admonished Johnson and her colleagues.
"Your appeal to the secretary general is alarming and embarrassing," he said. "As a Member of Congress sworn to uphold the Constitution and represent the people of the United States, it is disturbing, to say the least, that you would entrust the most sacred act of American democracy – our presidential election – to an international institution, which is unaccountable to the American people and mired by scandal and corruption."
Kilgannon said the request "undermines U.S. sovereignty, demoralizes American servicemen who are fighting to build democratic governments abroad and sends the message worldwide that the United States is nothing more than a Third World nation unable to police itself."
Stories about the action by the members of Congress appeared all over the world – from Tehran to Uraguay and to China. |
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Grampa
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| Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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I remember Jerald Nadlers fat face telling lies about supposed elderly Floriduh voters who were "confused" by the ballot. Nevermind these cats can run and keep track of 8 bingo cards at a time.
I also seem to recall that it was AlGore who sued and lost as well as trying to disenfranchise military voters from overseas by challenging their ballots in court.
Its a sad shame that actual members of Congress seem to not understand the electoral college system or how it works and that the Constitution protects our elections from mob rule and from unscrupulous losers like AlGore who cannot accept reality or defeat with honor.
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xsquid
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| Snipe wrote: | I'd just like to know that all of those military absentee ballots
get counted. Especially those northern Florida countys. |
I agree. These are the only people that were going to get screwed.
If the UN were to show up to monitor the election, I say "LETS GET READY TO RUMMMMMMMMMBLE". Show em the back door out.
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