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grumpyBB Lt.Jg.
Joined: 27 Oct 2004 Posts: 117 Location: Portland, Oregon
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:02 pm Post subject: Bill Middendorf comments on Kerry Discharge |
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I just got this e-mail a little bit ago from www.tothepointnews.com (Jack Wheeler):
Quote: | A TO THE POINT HEADS-UP
I had a conversation with Bill Middendorf earlier today. Bill was the Secretary of the Navy from April 1974 to January 1978. I got to know Bill well when he was Ronald Reagan\'s Ambassador to the OAS and we worked together on support for the Contras.
Bill has agreed to publicly state that to the best of his knowledge and recollection, John Kerry was dishonorably discharged from the military and fought to have this reversed while he (Bill)was SECNAV, which Bill of course refused to do. When Carter became president, Kerry secured the honorable discharge from Bill\'s successor.
The OTH (Other Than Honorable)discharge story has been out for a while, but for a former Secretary of the Navy to confirm it is major news. WorldNetDaily will be headlining it, as should the Washington Times tomorrow, and possibly Drudge. For some reason, Drudge, whom Jerry Corsi (coauthor of Unfit for Command) just talked to a few minutes! ago, is resisting. I also gave the story to Neal Cavuto at Fox.
I thought all TTPers should get a heads-up on this.
Jack Wheeler
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Moderator Note: Topic Title changed to better reflect the comments made by Admiral Middendorf. |
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Hondo LCDR
Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 423 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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grumpyBB:
No offense - but I'll believe this when I see it. _________________ "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing worth a war, is worse."
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Fort Campbell Vice Admiral
Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 896
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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THANK YOU, LORD, for answered prayers! |
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Slednfool Seaman
Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 198 Location: New Brighton, MN
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | No offense - but I'll believe this when I see it. |
That was exactly what I was gonna say. |
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JimRobson Lieutenant
Joined: 06 Aug 2004 Posts: 242 Location: Jacksonville FL
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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Forget Drudge, I believe he has been bought and paid for. He hasn't said anything important for weeks. _________________ ETN2 PTF2 (Littlecreek Underwater Demolition Unit 2 1963)
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Wescoot2 Ensign
Joined: 05 Aug 2004 Posts: 62 Location: Park Ridge Il.
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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If this can be verified, and someone has a signed affadavit from Middendorf, I believe that Kerry should be serving behind bars shortly.... _________________ If your Gonna Be One...Be a BIG RED ONE
No Mission To Difficult...No Sacrifice To Great...
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grumpyBB Lt.Jg.
Joined: 27 Oct 2004 Posts: 117 Location: Portland, Oregon
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41230
Ex-Navy sec to Kerry:
Open up your records
Questions rise on service discharge,
apparently was less-than-honorable
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Posted: November 1, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern
By Art Moore
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com
A former secretary of the Navy is urging Sen. John Kerry to open up his personnel files to resolve the question of whether the Democratic presidential nominee received a less-than-honorable discharge from the Navy.
William Middendorf, the Navy chief from 1974 to 1977, told WorldNetDaily that Kerry, who began inactive reserve status in 1972, would have been issued a document three years later either for a reserve reaffiliation or a separation discharge.
An "honorable discharge" from 1978 appears on the Kerry campaign's website, but a Navy lawyer who served under Middendorf believes that document is a substitute for one that would have been issued in 1975.
However, no such document can be found among the records Kerry has made available.
"I should think it would be in his interest to open up the files, to clear up any misunderstanding," said Middendorf, who later served as ambassador to the Netherlands, Europeon Union and Organization of American States.
Middendorf said he cannot comment specifically on any action taken on Kerry, because he is barred, under the 1974 privacy act, from discussing personnel matters.
However, he enthusiastically vouches for the character of Sullivan, who formed the basis for a story today in the New York Sun by Thomas Lipscomb, the first to report discrepancies in Kerry's discharge record.
Mark Sullivan, who served in the secretary of the Navy's office in the Judge Advocate General Corps Reserve between 1975 and 1977, says the "honorable discharge" on the Kerry website appears to be a Carter administration substitute for an original action expunged from Kerry's record, Lipscomb reported.
Asked by WorldNetDaily to address Sullivan's findings, Middendorf cited the privacy act.
"I shouldn't comment other than to say I respect Mark Sullivan as one of the finest Navy officers we had."
If Kerry received something other than an honorable discharge, it likely was related to his anti-war activities while a member of the Navy reserve, says Jerome Corsi, a specialist on the anti-war movement and co-author of best-seller "Unfit for Command."
"We've been arguing that Kerry's cooperation with the enemy throughout the Vietnam War was widely known by the intelligence community," Corsi told WND.
Corsi believes this is the reason the discharge is not on the campaign website.
"If he didn't have reason to hide anything, he would have released it," Corsi said.
More to come ... |
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NavyChief Rear Admiral
Joined: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 627 Location: Boise, Idaho
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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Something is about to break on this...
- Chief _________________ Working with Senator Kerry four years in the POW/MIA Office left me thinking -- when did the man ever do any work? |
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rb325th Admiral
Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 1334
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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He just placed a nail in Kerrys Coffin as far as I can see.
By strongly advising Kerry to open his records, vouching for the character of the other two men, and citing why it is he can not go any further. (He could easily have said Kerry was discharged for negative reason and faced no reprecussion) _________________ U.S. Army 1983-1995, 11C1P/11H2P NBTDT |
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Fort Campbell Vice Admiral
Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 896
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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Slednfool wrote: | Quote: | No offense - but I'll believe this when I see it. |
That was exactly what I was gonna say. |
O, Ye of Little faith............
Go to the link above and read HANOI JOHN AND SLICK WILLIE
Behind The Lines
by Dr. Jack Wheeler |
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grumpyBB Lt.Jg.
Joined: 27 Oct 2004 Posts: 117 Location: Portland, Oregon
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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NavyChief wrote: | Something is about to break on this...
- Chief | I sure hope so, we're down to the last hours. I'm afraid time is running out on us. |
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Fort Campbell Vice Admiral
Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 896
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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NavyChief wrote: | Something is about to break on this...
- Chief |
Yes, a LOT of people are working on this story. |
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Theresa Alwood Rear Admiral
Joined: 05 Jun 2004 Posts: 631 Location: Florida
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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I have given up all hopes on any of these anti-Kerry stories actually hitting any of the MSM or even Fox News. The so called News Media has really slanted this elected to Kerry. All we can do know is hope that everyone of us who is voting against Kerry gets out there and does it! _________________ Born to raise a little hell! |
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Prisoner Seaman Recruit
Joined: 19 Aug 2004 Posts: 31 Location: Central Texas
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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Shouldn't there be a DD 214 from the reserves as well? _________________ FreeSpeechForums |
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jstoc Seaman Recruit
Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 35 Location: Austin, Texas
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:25 pm Post subject: there's no 'there' there |
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Sorry, and I mean very, very sorry; but the actual article simply fails to say it. Without saying the truth plainly, there's just no meat to it. When I originally read the post that the former SecNav was going to say definitively that Kerry had been dishonorably discharged, I was celebrating. But the article itself has the SecNav very definitely NOT commenting on Kerry. And that's because of regs that prohibit him from doing so. The point is, he doesn't actually comment on Kerry at all. He comments on Sullivan, and while that's great, it's not enough; not near enough. So, at this late hour, I'm sad to conclude, this story is going nowhere. The only story that will really fly will be the one that has someone saying: "I know for a fact that Kerry received a less than honoroable discharge, because I was there..." Until this happens, if ever, Kerry has eluded the light of truth. Aaarrgh! _________________ Veritas |
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