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grumpyBB
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:02 pm    Post subject: Bill Middendorf comments on Kerry Discharge Reply with quote

I just got this e-mail a little bit ago from www.tothepointnews.com (Jack Wheeler):
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A TO THE POINT HEADS-UP

I had a conversation with Bill Middendorf earlier today. Bill was the Secretary of the Navy from April 1974 to January 1978. I got to know Bill well when he was Ronald Reagan\'s Ambassador to the OAS and we worked together on support for the Contras.

Bill has agreed to publicly state that to the best of his knowledge and recollection, John Kerry was dishonorably discharged from the military and fought to have this reversed while he (Bill)was SECNAV, which Bill of course refused to do. When Carter became president, Kerry secured the honorable discharge from Bill\'s successor.

The OTH (Other Than Honorable)discharge story has been out for a while, but for a former Secretary of the Navy to confirm it is major news. WorldNetDaily will be headlining it, as should the Washington Times tomorrow, and possibly Drudge. For some reason, Drudge, whom Jerry Corsi (coauthor of Unfit for Command) just talked to a few minutes! ago, is resisting. I also gave the story to Neal Cavuto at Fox.

I thought all TTPers should get a heads-up on this.

Jack Wheeler

Moderator Note: Topic Title changed to better reflect the comments made by Admiral Middendorf.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

grumpyBB:

No offense - but I'll believe this when I see it.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No offense - but I'll believe this when I see it.


That was exactly what I was gonna say.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forget Drudge, I believe he has been bought and paid for. He hasn't said anything important for weeks.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If this can be verified, and someone has a signed affadavit from Middendorf, I believe that Kerry should be serving behind bars shortly....
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41230

Ex-Navy sec to Kerry:
Open up your records
Questions rise on service discharge,
apparently was less-than-honorable

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Posted: November 1, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern


By Art Moore
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

A former secretary of the Navy is urging Sen. John Kerry to open up his personnel files to resolve the question of whether the Democratic presidential nominee received a less-than-honorable discharge from the Navy.

William Middendorf, the Navy chief from 1974 to 1977, told WorldNetDaily that Kerry, who began inactive reserve status in 1972, would have been issued a document three years later either for a reserve reaffiliation or a separation discharge.

An "honorable discharge" from 1978 appears on the Kerry campaign's website, but a Navy lawyer who served under Middendorf believes that document is a substitute for one that would have been issued in 1975.

However, no such document can be found among the records Kerry has made available.

"I should think it would be in his interest to open up the files, to clear up any misunderstanding," said Middendorf, who later served as ambassador to the Netherlands, Europeon Union and Organization of American States.

Middendorf said he cannot comment specifically on any action taken on Kerry, because he is barred, under the 1974 privacy act, from discussing personnel matters.

However, he enthusiastically vouches for the character of Sullivan, who formed the basis for a story today in the New York Sun by Thomas Lipscomb, the first to report discrepancies in Kerry's discharge record.

Mark Sullivan, who served in the secretary of the Navy's office in the Judge Advocate General Corps Reserve between 1975 and 1977, says the "honorable discharge" on the Kerry website appears to be a Carter administration substitute for an original action expunged from Kerry's record, Lipscomb reported.

Asked by WorldNetDaily to address Sullivan's findings, Middendorf cited the privacy act.

"I shouldn't comment other than to say I respect Mark Sullivan as one of the finest Navy officers we had."

If Kerry received something other than an honorable discharge, it likely was related to his anti-war activities while a member of the Navy reserve, says Jerome Corsi, a specialist on the anti-war movement and co-author of best-seller "Unfit for Command."

"We've been arguing that Kerry's cooperation with the enemy throughout the Vietnam War was widely known by the intelligence community," Corsi told WND.

Corsi believes this is the reason the discharge is not on the campaign website.

"If he didn't have reason to hide anything, he would have released it," Corsi said.

More to come ...
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something is about to break on this... Cool

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He just placed a nail in Kerrys Coffin as far as I can see.
By strongly advising Kerry to open his records, vouching for the character of the other two men, and citing why it is he can not go any further. (He could easily have said Kerry was discharged for negative reason and faced no reprecussion)
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slednfool wrote:
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No offense - but I'll believe this when I see it.


That was exactly what I was gonna say.


O, Ye of Little faith............

Go to the link above and read HANOI JOHN AND SLICK WILLIE
Behind The Lines

by Dr. Jack Wheeler
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NavyChief wrote:
Something is about to break on this... Cool

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I sure hope so, we're down to the last hours. I'm afraid time is running out on us.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NavyChief wrote:
Something is about to break on this... Cool

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Yes, a LOT of people are working on this story. Cool
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have given up all hopes on any of these anti-Kerry stories actually hitting any of the MSM or even Fox News. The so called News Media has really slanted this elected to Kerry. All we can do know is hope that everyone of us who is voting against Kerry gets out there and does it!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shouldn't there be a DD 214 from the reserves as well?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:25 pm    Post subject: there's no 'there' there Reply with quote

Sorry, and I mean very, very sorry; but the actual article simply fails to say it. Without saying the truth plainly, there's just no meat to it. When I originally read the post that the former SecNav was going to say definitively that Kerry had been dishonorably discharged, I was celebrating. But the article itself has the SecNav very definitely NOT commenting on Kerry. And that's because of regs that prohibit him from doing so. The point is, he doesn't actually comment on Kerry at all. He comments on Sullivan, and while that's great, it's not enough; not near enough. So, at this late hour, I'm sad to conclude, this story is going nowhere. The only story that will really fly will be the one that has someone saying: "I know for a fact that Kerry received a less than honoroable discharge, because I was there..." Until this happens, if ever, Kerry has eluded the light of truth. Aaarrgh! Mad
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