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[bergstrom79]

This won't do much for us at all. Also, it's too late in the game to get much penetration to the media so it's a "preaching to the choir" kind of thing without Middendorf coming out with a definitive statement (which doesn't appear to be coming any day soon).

I appreciate the efforts of the Cheif and everyone else, but the swiftvets gave us all the info needed for honest, thinking citizens to make up their minds. NOTHING can change yellow dog dems minds and anti W folks, even dishonarable discharges. I know fellow Vets who tell they could care less about Kerry's past, they're voting for him. That blows me away, but there are voters like that (and yeah, I know they served).

As long as Middendorf doesn't come out and say it, this story is purely a rumor to everyone that doesn't read this forum. I certainly believe he got a dishonorable discharge, but...I just cannot see this moving anyone's opinion at this point.

For now, LET'S VOTE, DAMMIT! If we lose, I'm still in for any effort to oust Kerry before he ever gets inaugurated. Count me in for more donations if that comes up. But for now, LET'S VOTE.

[1AD]

These two articles, one by Mr. Lipscomb and the other by Mr. Moore (the complete one where he remarks on Sullivan's character), are all any third-rate attorney would need to effectively cross-examine Mr. Kerry. "You were asked 1,000 times to release your records and you did not because the information contained in those records would contradict your statement that you received only an "Honorable Discharge" and had never received any other type of discharge. Is that true Mr. Kerry? NO?!!! Then why have you not produced your records which were subpoenaed two years ago??? [A subpoena, especially from a Federal court, overrides the Privacy Act. Several other things do as well but this is not a PA lesson]. At this time your honor I request that you instruct the jury that they may draw an adverse inference from Kerry's refusal to release the records.

[In reality the agency holding the records may also end up in court pleading the PA as to why they cannot release them. The judge would then order Kerry to release them or state good legal reasons why they should not be released. If he cannot the records would be ordered released by the Judge. You would also subpoena Kerry in the hope that he has a copy but he may have destroyed them. If Kerry had the only copy and refused to release them then the adverse jury instruction would be applied.]

Bottom line: these two articles should be referenced in the same email which should allow anyone to arrive at the conclusion that he is hiding something. Don't rely on the MSM. Tell them "one can only conclude that by not releasing the records he is concealing the true nature of his service which was in reality less than honorable. After all what is honorable about urging your country to accept the enemies terms".

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[mangdawg]

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[angelnoel]

2Slick

TY TY TY TY and the same for your buddies. It's all of you over there (I remember that from WWII) that make me do what I do. That would be everything possible to keep GW & Laura Bush in the White House.

Sending all of you wishes to keep safe.

[bergstrom79]

[securitymom]

Okay..I don't know if this will do any good...but I have a friend who is really interested in this who has a close friend on NBC....THIS FRIEND and HER FRIEND are BUSH SUPPORTERS...I don't know and I'll keep you posted...But I know my friend will do whatever it takes to make something happen! Keep your fingers crossed....

[rb325th]

[ord33]

I just got a call from the Kerry Campaign (I'm here in Ohio) and they asked me for my support of Kerry. I asked her several questions. Whether he has released all of his records. She said yes, he's made them public a long time ago. I said has he signed Standard Form 180 --she said "yes". I told her that wasnt true, she said yes it was. Then I got into her over the discharge and she kept saying he got an honorable discharge, and I went on about the "Other Than Honorable" discharge, then asked her if she worked for the Kerry Campaign, she said yes. Then asked if she knew about the NY Sun Thomas Lipscomb story --she said "YES" --so they are actually training their callers about the story! I then went into the Middendorf story and at this point I was getting ticked off, and she finally asked me why I didn't seem to support John Kerry. WRONG QUESTION! So I went into the meetings with the N. Vietnamese and not releasing his records and being deceitful to the American public. I went on for about 10 minutes with her rarely interrupting me. I felt it was the LEAST i could do as it would at least keep her from making other calls to potential voters. The phone call came from an area code of (212) ---anybody know where that is? To sum it up they are still claiming he released ALL his military records, and I directly asked her if he got a discharge before his upgrade to honorable and she said "NO". I'm aware this isnt an official campaign response, but they have obviously been trained and know what to say and how to handle the issue. And they are for SURE aware of the Lipscomb story in the NY Sun!!!

[miltonsket]

How do we get through to Sean Hannity and Drudge? Are the Swiftees trying on this? Can O'Neil call them !!!!!!!! All we need is one headline on Drudge!!!!!!!!!!

[angelnoel]

Almost sure 212 area code is NYC

[rb325th]

The adresses have been posted multiple times throughout this and other threads.
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[ord33]